Updated:At Least 33 Dead in Va. Tech Shooting

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

This kid was definitely twisted......click on the link below and you can see the plays he wrote...

Cho Seung-Hui's Plays - News Bloggers

I'm sorry if you can call that creative writing and if this is what goes on in those classes it no wonder some kids turn out the way they do. I would have never even thought of turning in something like that to a teacher and for a college "Of Higher Learning?" to acept this crap as writing is total BS. I hear about all this liberal BS that our colleges except as art and its a wonder that things are not any worse than they are. It is just disrespectful to even turn something like that into to an adult and for a teacher of " So Called Higher Learning" its scary.

[Big C]

probably the most emotional i have gotten during this whole time is the story about the romanian-israeli professor who was a holocaust survivor. he was put into camp when he was just a kid and has already had to deal with so much in his life. his class heard the gunshots, so he barricaded the door with his desk to let his class escape from the windows 2 stories above. this man was 76 years old holding the barricade, and he died doing so to save their lives. RIP to him and all who died yesterday.

i attended the memorial, which brought everyone closer and helped to start the recovery process, i was about 10 rows back from the speakers which included president bush, governor kaine, and a very charismatic english professor who brought us to end the ceremony with us all chanting "lets go hokies" louder than ever. truely a special occasion and one i will never forget

[GMScud]

Did anyone notice that the Nationals wore VT hats tonight in their game vs. the Braves? Awesome. I'm not normally a Hokie fan, but I sure am right now.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Big C

probably the most emotional i have gotten during this whole time is the story about the romanian-israeli professor who was a holocaust survivor. he was put into camp when he was just a kid and has already had to deal with so much in his life. his class heard the gunshots, so he barricaded the door with his desk to let his class escape from the windows 2 stories above. this man was 76 years old holding the barricade, and he died doing so to save their lives. RIP to him and all who died yesterday.

i attended the memorial, which brought everyone closer and helped to start the recovery process, i was about 10 rows back from the speakers which included president bush, governor kaine, and a very charismatic english professor who brought us to end the ceremony with us all chanting "lets go hokies" louder than ever. truely a special occasion and one i will never forget

WORD. That was a truly noble and selfless act. He gave his life for others. Respect!

RIP to all the victims.

[KLHJ2]

This has probably already been touched on, but I don't care. I don't feel like reading, I feel like venting.
Gun Control laws only work on those who abide by the law. So its hindering good citizens from obtaining weapons in a timely manner. As a consumer when I want something I want it now, not in a month or two. It is my constitutional right to bear arms damn it! Some people like their freedom of speech, freedom of religion, I like to own weapons. Does anyone have to wait in a line fill out forms and get their background checked If they want to say something, or if they want to go to church and pray? No, but I have to if I want to go hunting or I want something for home protection.

"Sir, why do you want to purchase this firearm?" Just in case some idiot decides to roll up in my house or office and tries to shoot me for no reason other than anger! I got a wife and 4 kids to look out for! That's why!

I know that that guy followed the laws and legally purchased his weapons. More laws were not going to stop him. He devised a plan, waited patiently, and then executed it. More gun control laws just mean that the next guy has to be a little more patient. Or he can just say the hell with it and purchase it illegally. The point is you are not going to stop a determined person from their goal especially if they don't give a damn.

[Bushead]

Giving lots of "consumers" guns is not a good idea. People who think this would have never happened if everyone walked around with guns isn't thinking about the other million problems that would cause.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Bushead

Giving lots of "consumers" guns is not a good idea. People who think this would have never happened if everyone walked around with guns isn't thinking about the other million problems that would cause.

Im one of millions of consumers who already have guns. I'll carry one more often given the recent days events. Its a tool. I personally believe the laws and requirements to qualify someone to carry a weapon at all should be tightened a bit... to ensure that armed people DO have some sense, but people who are able to shoulder some of the burden for public protection should be more encouraged to do so.

It is not the governments responsibility to be everywhere at all times, and they cannot be... and if they were we would not be a free nation anyway...

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Im one of millions of consumers who already have guns. I'll carry one more often given the recent days events. Its a tool. I personally believe the laws and requirements to qualify someone to carry a weapon at all should be tightened a bit... to ensure that armed people DO have some sense, but people who are able to shoulder some of the burden for public protection should be more encouraged to do so.

It is not the governments responsibility to be everywhere at all times, and they cannot be... and if they were we would not be a free nation anyway...

Could not agree more Tuna
and NICE post as well HESS

I am a life-time hunter, sportsman, shooter, (conquerer of small countries), etc, as several generations were in my family before me.
I would REALLY hate to see legal gun ownership go away in this country. That would make me an outlaw. I do not believe for a minute that would solve any of our problems with guns either.
HOWEVER, I would not have problem with a more thorough, reasonable, productive investigative process to weed out some problem children.
In reading Anrgy's......vent, one thing that make things simple when purchasing a firearm is the "right to carry permit". I have one, which came with a background check before they issued it. One of the things it affords me is the ability to purchase with NO waiting period. Naturally it cost a couple of hundred bucks to get there. This will not appeal so some for that reason. If the Fed could get behind some type of universal program with the states of this type. This might go along way to solving some of the obvious probs and placate the sporting community as well.
It would have to be a REAL departure for the Fed to adopt a USEFUL plan that is not all window dressing, like the assault weapons ban. This was completely useless and purely a political move.

[Bushead]

No offense, but I don't think the plays are that deviant as people say it is. It's just a lot of cursing.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Bushead

No offense, but I don't think the plays are that deviant as people say it is. It's just a lot of cursing.

Ok, maybe that's one of the problems that you can look at this and just think its a lot of cursing. So, that's what HIGHER LEARNING is now days. May I ask your age?

[Daseal]

probably the most emotional i have gotten during this whole time is the story about the romanian-israeli professor who was a holocaust survivor. he was put into camp when he was just a kid and has already had to deal with so much in his life. his class heard the gunshots, so he barricaded the door with his desk to let his class escape from the windows 2 stories above. this man was 76 years old holding the barricade, and he died doing so to save their lives. RIP to him and all who died yesterday.

i attended the memorial, which brought everyone closer and helped to start the recovery process, i was about 10 rows back from the speakers which included president bush, governor kaine, and a very charismatic english professor who brought us to end the ceremony with us all chanting "lets go hokies" louder than ever. truely a special occasion and one i will never forget

Wow. The true epitome of hero!

It is my constitutional right to bear arms damn it! Some people like their freedom of speech, freedom of religion, I like to own weapons. Does anyone have to wait in a line fill out forms and get their background checked If they want to say something, or if they want to go to church and pray? No, but I have to if I want to go hunting or I want something for home protection.

First of all, let's put that whole constitutional right into perspective. This was written when you could be walking down the road and be attacked by a bear. When there were no police services, and most people needed a gun in order to eat. This is no longer the case. We don't need guns anymore. While I think the whole "gun in the home" thing is overblown. More kids die because of swimming pools than because of guns. However, there needs to be gun control.

When I was 17, a bunch of my friends and I got drunk. We decided hey, let's shoot those clay things you toss in the air (can't remember their names), so we drive to Wal-Mart, buy two guns, ammo, and a shooter for those clay things. I was 17, and within 45 minutes we had two firearms, a ton of ammunition, and we were drunk.

They need to lock down gun laws a bit, because most people don't need guns. Especially hand guns. They just aren't necessary. I can definitely see hunting rifles, etc. However, I'm not sneaking a hunting rifle anywhere.

There's nothing that can be done to stop people like the guy who shot up VT. It's just impossible, if they want to attack someone, guns are easy enough to find, and even easier to obtain with a little money. People like this, unfortunately, will always be very difficult to stop.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Wow. The true epitome of hero!


First of all, let's put that whole constitutional right into perspective. This was written when you could be walking down the road and be attacked by a bear. When there were no police services, and most people needed a gun in order to eat. This is no longer the case. We don't need guns anymore. While I think the whole "gun in the home" thing is overblown. More kids die because of swimming pools than because of guns. However, there needs to be gun control.

When I was 17, a bunch of my friends and I got drunk. We decided hey, let's shoot those clay things you toss in the air (can't remember their names), so we drive to Wal-Mart, buy two guns, ammo, and a shooter for those clay things. I was 17, and within 45 minutes we had two firearms, a ton of ammunition, and we were drunk.

They need to lock down gun laws a bit, because most people don't need guns. Especially hand guns. They just aren't necessary. I can definitely see hunting rifles, etc. However, I'm not sneaking a hunting rifle anywhere.

There's nothing that can be done to stop people like the guy who shot up VT. It's just impossible, if they want to attack someone, guns are easy enough to find, and even easier to obtain with a little money. People like this, unfortunately, will always be very difficult to stop.

Tell my buddy that he did not need a hand gun when he was attacked on the street with his wife and child. Luckly he had his gun (legaly) and with the sight of the gun the attackers took off because they only had a knife. Maybe they just wanted his wallet and maybe his wifes purse but maybe something worse could have happened. If you look up crimes commited by people who have carry permits it is very very low. When I was in high school back in the early 80's guys brought guns to school hanging in gun racks in their pick ups. I can even remember checking out shot gun my buddy got for his birth day with the principle of the school. It was no big deal back then and it was not even an issue. I myself do not own a gun and do belive that a better back ground checks might help but I still believe if a person wants to kill they will.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Tell my buddy that he did not need a hand gun when he was attacked on the street with his wife and child. Luckly he had his gun (legaly) and with the sight of the gun the attackers took off because they only had a knife. Maybe they just wanted his wallet and maybe his wifes purse but maybe something worse could have happened. If you look up crimes commited by people who have carry permits it is very very low. When I was in high school back in the early 80's guys brought guns to school hanging in gun racks in their pick ups. I can even remember checking out shot gun my buddy got for his birth day with the principle of the school. It was no big deal back then and it was not even an issue. I myself do not own a gun and do belive that a better back ground checks might help but I still believe if a person wants to kill they will.

I'm not for or against gun control but there are just as many instances where not having a gun would have saved a life. Domestic disputes, teenagers getting drunk and playing with daddy's gun (personal tragedy in my life, actually), road rage, etc.

Once again, I really don't care what the legislation is or will be regarding gun control but I don't see how one can argue the merits for or against by recounting personal events that affected that situation only. The argument works for both sides.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I don't think anyone said they were "good" plays. I graduated with a Bachelor's degree in Fine Arts and took some of these liberal classes you're talking about and I have to say that there were some people who did stupid crap purely for shock value, similar to this kid's plays.

For ALL, not most, not some, but ALL of my professors took this type of stuff and thoroughly scoffed at it. Anyone can write something that's a metaphor for something else. It's all in the thought process, in the meaning behind it that makes it something creative and worthwhile. Basically, change the names in his pieces of crap, and it's nothing but a stupid story his twisted mind came up with.

In my classes, I've also seen plenty of artwork involving cursing, nudity and more that were actually very moving pieces of art.

[Hog1]

With all due respect Daseal, the opinion of many of the second amendment is the right to "keep and bear arms" provides for:
feed ones self
protect the homestead
stand against a tyrannical government
etc.

As I stated in my other post, I would have no problem with some revision of the current laws, IF it really accomplish's something productive, and not viewed as another way to disarm the public. I think many (though not all) would share this view.