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[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Buster

Non-citizens of the United States have no protections under the Constitution and Bill of Rights, including the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

For better or worse, they actually do have protections under the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

For better or worse, they actually do have protections under the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Thanks to the ACLU and a lot of lawyers, yes they do...heck, even members of al Qaeda that are prisoners of war are being treated like citizens by some people...but they should not, morally OR legally according to our founding documents.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Buster

Thanks to the ACLU and a lot of lawyers, yes they do...heck, even members of al Qaeda that are prisoners of war are being treated like citizens by some people...but they should not, morally OR legally according to our founding documents.

I couldn't disagree more. I hate the ACLU and their ilk but at the same time anybody who is in this country should enjoy the protection of all our laws and rights equally. We are a country founded on fairness and equality. To apply our constitution to only the chosen within our own country is totally controvert to what we should be as a country. Now when it comes to persons outside the US fighting in a war against us or working against us in some threatening way I can live with having a different set of rules but once you're here though you should have the same rights.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I couldn't disagree more. I hate the ACLU and their ilk but at the same time anybody who is in this country should enjoy the protection of all our laws and rights equally. We are a country founded on fairness and equality. To apply our constitution to only the chosen within our own country is totally controvert to what we should be as a country. Now when it comes to persons outside the US fighting in a war against us or working against us in some threatening way I can live with having a different set of rules but once you're here though you should have the same rights.

So illigals should have the right to food stamps, assisted housing, etc...

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So illigals should have the right to food stamps, assisted housing, etc...

No I should have included the phrase "people here legally". Illegals should be sent back.

[Lady Brave]

I will add this though. VA is a full POC (point of contact). Which means that they require all applicants to submit to a background check by the state for all firearms transfers/purchases. It is much better for the state to conduct the background checks than relying on NICS. NICS is somewhat limited in their access to state court records. They rely on us to notify them of someone who has committed an offense at the state level which might qualify as a federal prohibitor.

If some states aren't notifying NICS of these offenses then there can be problems. For example, someone convicted of a domestic violence offense may slip through the cracks if the state didn't notify NICS of the conviction. So the applicant could travel to another state where they only perform a NICS check by the dealer calling the 1-800 number. If NICS has not been notified of the conviction then viola, the wife beater now has gun. If all the states contributed their records to NICS like they should be, then those convictions would be in the national database and I would be alerted to that person's record in another state and possibly be able to deny them.

How background checks are performed vary state to state and all the various laws between the feds and the states can drive you crazy. But we are doing the best we can.