Is Russell really better than Quinn?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I mean is he really that much better? Quinn has more experience, NFL style offense in ND, incredible stats, and smarts. Is the whole "big game" thing holding him back?

Any experts here want to explain this to me?

Ya know, Hooskins--you'd think the year Peyton Manning of all people won the super bowl, the big game arguement would get pissed down the drain as the worthless piece of garbage it is.

Luckily for the teams picking 11-20, the draft idiots are still advising the teams 1-10 who to take. This means the actual quality draft prospects will be falling once again this year.

I maintain that if everybody knew what they will in 5 years, Quinn should be the No. 1 overall pick in this draft. He will not be the best player from this draft, but he's a QB and therefore has a positional advantage over ever other position, and the team that drafts him will be really happy with him in the long run.

For more analysis on the subject, read any of my posts in this thread, primarily the initial post. I'm not going to debate this one any more because its silly to debate the merits of past history vs. anecdotal evidence.

The team that drafts Russell is going to use him improperly based on a miscalculation of his value. That's all there is to it.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Ya know, Hooskins--you'd think the year Peyton Manning of all people won the super bowl, the big game arguement would get pissed down the drain as the worthless piece of garbage it is.

That is what I was thinking, why do college championships really matter that much? I mean it is a great addition, but I feel the draft experts are underplaying everything else Quinn has going for him.

I really think the Raiders should take him, but that is just my opinion.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by hooskins

That is what I was thinking, why do college championships really matter that much? I mean it is a great addition, but I feel the draft experts are underplaying everything else Quinn has going for him.

I really think the Raiders should take him, but that is just my opinion.

Well, I like the Raiders. Always have to a degree. And if they don't take Quinn, I'd consider it a draft error.

But I've given up on their ability to make intelligent decisions as a franchise. The Skins front office may be 50 times more gung ho, but they aren't anywhere near as inept.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, I like the Raiders. Always have to a degree. And if they don't take Quinn, I'd consider it a draft error.

But I've given up on their ability to make intelligent decisions as a franchise. The Skins front office may be 50 times more gung ho, but they aren't anywhere near as inept.

If you are looking for front offices worst than the Skins, I would also contend Detroit is up there to with Oakland.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by hooskins

If you are looking for front offices worst than the Skins, I would also contend Detroit is up there to with Oakland.

Yeah, well, taking one top 10 receiver is questionable the way WRs are being graded by scouts. Taking more than one is inexcusable. I could not support a team that took 3 in consecutive years, espically with all the red flags around Mike Williams.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, well, taking one top 10 receiver is questionable the way WRs are being graded by scouts. Taking more than one is inexcusable. I could not support a team that took 3 in consecutive years, espically with all the red flags around Mike Williams.

Well you know my feelings about CJ this draft, although I agree that drafting WRs in a row is very bad.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Well you know my feelings about CJ this draft, although I agree that drafting WRs in a row is very bad.

Hey, if he redefines the position and changes the way defenses play for good, I'll eat crow every day for 5 years.

I'm just wondering what all this hype is being based on.

It's just that WR grading has become so piss poor, that you are better off taking the last remaining receiver of a certain group (like Robert Meachem as opposed to CJ) than to take the most hyped guy. History argues that they have an equal chance at success, and one costs you way less.

[SmootSmack]

Quinn vs. Russell is similar to Shane Battier vs. Kwame Brown. The Wizards could have taken Battier who showed throughout his college career that he was a very good player and had all the tangible and intangbile qualities to be a solid pro player.

But Brown was phenomenal in workouts, absolutely abusing other top prospects include Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry. And his "rawness" made him more appealing to coaches/front office staff who thought he had untapped potential that they could bring out, whereas Battier was as good as he was going to get.

Well, six years later maybe Battier has been nothing more than a solid serviceable player and he is as good as he is going to get. But what he is is pretty good, whereas Brown has to be one of the biggest busts ever.

Another analogy, it's like when some girl wants to date the "bad boy" because she thinks she can change him while the nice guy sits in the corner wondering what the heck just happened here.

I guess what I'm trying to say is scouts/coaches/front office execs etc. sometimes try to force things that aren't there and may never be there largely because of their egos, yet fail to see what's right in front of them. In the immortal words of Gmanc711 sometimes "it is what it is"