One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Fair enough, I am pretty liberal when it comes to forgiving athletes. My argument is that I shouldnt expect more from those guys then I expect from my friends, and my friends are a bunch of degenerates. I actually kind of root for the bad guys.

I was a military brat as a child, and joined as an adult. I have high standards for personal conduct.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Why do people hate Vick so much? I always wanted him to succeed, and think it's sad that he hasn't become the player we all hoped he would be. I still remember watching him during the 02 season with my jaw on the floor.

It's not that i hate Vick, I hate the way everyone tabbed him as such a GREAT QB. He's not. When are people going to understand that just because you can run does not mean you can throw.
I remember him having a good game last year and then getting all upset in an interview saying "well that should shut everyone up about me not being able to throw well". The next game he passed for like 50% and sucked again. Vick is a faster Kordell Stewart, and Vince Young is cut from the exact same mold.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by jsarno

It's not that i hate Vick, I hate the way everyone tabbed him as such a GREAT QB. He's not. When are people going to understand that just because you can run does not mean you can throw.
I remember him having a good game last year and then getting all upset in an interview saying "well that should shut everyone up about me not being able to throw well". The next game he passed for like 50% and sucked again. Vick is a faster Kordell Stewart, and Vince Young is cut from the exact same mold.

I agree, but you have to admit, back in 02 when he went into Lambeau and beat the Pack for the first time in history in the playoffs, it looked like we were watching the dawn of something special.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I agree, but you have to admit, back in 02 when he went into Lambeau and beat the Pack for the first time in history in the playoffs, it looked like we were watching the dawn of something special.

I just never beleived it. I'm telling you the truth. I have always noticed a flaw in his game, and I beleive that you can have a good game once in a while and still be not very good. Look at Danny Weurfful? (sp?) He had some 300+ passing yard games. He sucked.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

It's not that i hate Vick, I hate the way everyone tabbed him as such a GREAT QB. He's not. When are people going to understand that just because you can run does not mean you can throw.
I remember him having a good game last year and then getting all upset in an interview saying "well that should shut everyone up about me not being able to throw well". The next game he passed for like 50% and sucked again. Vick is a faster Kordell Stewart, and Vince Young is cut from the exact same mold.

I believe that we had a similar discussion about Vince Young. While I agree that they are good athletes and exciting players, the actually take their teams style of play back to before the foreward pass was popular.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by angryssg

I believe that we had a similar discussion about Vince Young. While I agree that they are good athletes and exciting players, the actually take their teams style of play back to before the foreward pass was popular.

Yeah, we did.
I don't care how good of an athlete you are, being a QB is a different breed. You have to have quick reflexes, strong, accurate arm, good decision making ability, and of course, Talent. Having legs helps...sure...but not required. See Manning and Brady.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Yeah, we did.
I don't care how good of an athlete you are, being a QB is a different breed. You have to have quick reflexes, strong, accurate arm, good decision making ability, and of course, Talent. Having legs helps...sure...but not required. See Manning and Brady.

See also Palmer, Brees, and Rivers.

[wilsowilso]

Elway and Favre are scrambling quarterbacks just to start with recent champions.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Elway and Favre are scrambling quarterbacks just to start with recent champions.

They were not! Steve Young was in the same category speed wise as VY, and MV. I said same category, not as fast as.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by angryssg

They were not! Steve Young was in the same category speed wise as VY, and MV. I said same category, not as fast as.

I wouldnt put Favre in that category but I most certainly would put Elway there. Again like you said not fast as but in the same category.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I wouldnt put Favre in that category but I most certainly would put Elway there. Again like you said not fast as but in the same category.

Was Elway ever the highest paid player in the league? I don't know I am just asking. Young was.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Was Elway ever the highest paid player in the league? I don't know I am just asking. Young was.

Welcome to when an argument turns to dust.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Elway and Favre are scrambling quarterbacks just to start with recent champions.

Favre has never been a scrambling QB. In his CAREER he has 1774 yards, and only 13 rushing td's. He only averaged 3.37 yards per carry. Not a scrambler at all. Young averaged 5.87 yards per carry.
Elway was a good scrambler. Not what Young was, but he was good. 3407 career rushing yards, 33 tds rushings...of course he did it over more years than Young. He had a 4.40 rushing average which is respectable.

[wilsowilso]

I always thought FAVRE was more of a scrambling QB than I guess he was. He is great moving out of the pocket.

[Redskins8588]

Here is my problem with Steve Young out of the league's all-time top 50 QB's he ranks 34th in pass attempts, 20th in completions, 21st in passing yards, and 19th in passing TD's. Also, he started for SF for 8 years and the best that he could do was 1 SB.