What are we going to do at DE?

[freddyg12]

I'm hoping we pick up one of my HOkies in the later rounds - Noland Burchette. He's a little small - 6'2, 260 - but is a disciplined DE that could earn some time as a pass rushing right de.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I'm hoping we pick up one of my HOkies in the later rounds - Noland Burchette. He's a little small - 6'2, 260 - but is a disciplined DE that could earn some time as a pass rushing right de.

Any help is good help. Wynn and Daniels are not cutting it.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Any help is good help. Wynn and Daniels are not cutting it.

yeah, they're old but they're also both team leaders. I hope we can keep both of them 1 more year, then let them bow out gracefully.

I think both of them can contribute in limited minutes. Wynn is solely a run stopper, but Daniels is a good every down DE when healthy. I like the idea of playing Daniels at DT, but only on passing downs.
Whatever we do, I expect to see a lot of rotations & different packages to keep guys fresh & max. each one's strength.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

yeah, they're old but they're also both team leaders. I hope we can keep both of them 1 more year, then let them bow out gracefully.

I think both of them can contribute in limited minutes. Wynn is solely a run stopper, but Daniels is a good every down DE when healthy. I like the idea of playing Daniels at DT, but only on passing downs.
Whatever we do, I expect to see a lot of rotations & different packages to keep guys fresh & max. each one's strength.

Team leaders? In what respect? Or do you mean clubhouse leaders?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Team leaders? In what respect? Or do you mean clubhouse leaders?

JLC said both are vital to team chemistry. Both often serve as spokesmen for the players along w/Portis, e.g. I believe Daniels spoke to Gibbs about players working out on their own this offseason.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

JLC said both are vital to team chemistry. Both often serve as spokesmen for the players along w/Portis, e.g. I believe Daniels spoke to Gibbs about players working out on their own this offseason.

Gotcha...you're referring to off the field / clubhouse. I agree with that. Cause on the field, they don't do much to warrant respect.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Any help is good help. Wynn and Daniels are not cutting it.

Agreed.......And if we have to rely on those two for sixteen games, I can imagine what the game day thread is going to look like. Both these guys are ready for SS, and couldn't mount a pass rush if there were no line in front of them. That's why I find it hard to believe there's no one in this draft good enough to start ahead of either of these guys. Just goes to show the misguided loyalty Gibbs & Co, has for these old guys.

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

Man you guys are crazy, i cant tell if you are joking or not. Yes we havent had solid qb play recently, but as I recall we have a guy who looks like he will be solid in Jason Campbell. If Quinn dropped to us and we took him, i might quit being a redskins fan because that would be one of the dumbest moves. Quinn would be more of a project than Campbell due to the fact that he will be a rookie. We also have a horrible defense that we need to adress in the draft.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Man you guys are crazy, i cant tell if you are joking or not. Yes we havent had solid qb play recently, but as I recall we have a guy who looks like he will be solid in Jason Campbell. If Quinn dropped to us and we took him, i might quit being a redskins fan because that would be one of the dumbest moves. Quinn would be more of a project than Campbell due to the fact that he will be a rookie. We also have a horrible defense that we need to adress in the draft.

No, I think you're just jumping into the middle of a conversation that has been going on for a couple days / several threads / and even some PM's. We both feel that we need a DL or DE. I'm just saying that if we are going to be dumb and take something other than that, at least take someone like Quinn. It's dumb, but it's less dumb than taking a WR.
Okoye needs to be our guy...only if Adams is gone.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Man you guys are crazy, i cant tell if you are joking or not. Yes we havent had solid qb play recently, but as I recall we have a guy who looks like he will be solid in Jason Campbell. If Quinn dropped to us and we took him, i might quit being a redskins fan because that would be one of the dumbest moves. Quinn would be more of a project than Campbell due to the fact that he will be a rookie. We also have a horrible defense that we need to adress in the draft.

First of all, I am not saying that Campbell is bad. Second, you always take the best available player, we could always trade him. Third look at Joe Gibbs's draft history. He took a QB in the draft every two years during his first tenure as head coach. He is due to draft another. Fourth, Joe firmly believes in not passing up on a first round caliber QB.

We are only saying that if he is still available at six, take him, trade the pick or draft for need.

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

sorry for jumping the gun on you guys. It actually doesnt seem that bad once I got my initial reaction out of the way and thouight about it. I mean I still wouldnt do it because we need help on D like there is no tomorow, but I see possibility in taking him, we can trade him for alot, or if we like him we could possibly trade campbell for alot (once again, Im not saying I want to do this, Im just saying that it is a risky move that might pay off in the long run)

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

sorry for jumping the gun on you guys. It actually doesnt seem that bad once I got my initial reaction out of the way and thouight about it. I mean I still wouldnt do it because we need help on D like there is no tomorow, but I see possibility in taking him, we can trade him for alot, or if we like him we could possibly trade campbell for alot (once again, Im not saying I want to do this, Im just saying that it is a risky move that might pay off in the long run)

That, and the fact that if Campbell doesn't work out...well, we're just skrewed. We have no viable back up plan. No, Brunell and whats his name aren't good back up plans.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

That, and the fact that if Campbell doesn't work out...well, we're just skrewed. We have no viable back up plan. No, Brunell and whats his name aren't good back up plans.

Xactly!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Xactly!

I have this ugly sinking feeling that we are going to take some peice of poo QB in the later rounds. Kind of like that kid we took out of Indiana (hamden) a couple years back that never played a single game.

[jsarno]

Just because I know you're interested...here are our last 17 years worth of QB draft picks:
05- Jason Campbell (1st round)
03- Gilbran Hamden (7th round)
02- Patrick Ramsey (1st round)
01- Sage Rosenfels (4th round)
00- Todd Husak (6th round)
94- Heath Shuler (1st round)
94- Gus Frerotte (7th round)
92- Chris Hackel (4th round)
90- Cary Conklin (4th round)

Minus Jason Campbell (cause he hasn't had time to show himself), what do all these picks have in common...Oh yeah...THEY SUCKED! Oddly enough, after our Super Bowl win in 91, we haven't had a really solid QB, and the ONE we did, we got rid of (Brad Johnson). So I think the fact that we had our worst years during 92-06 is because we haven't drafted a good QB, or got a good QB to lead us.