Brady's Bedtime Buddies

[wolfeskins]

it's hard to say anything negative about the pats simply because they've been so consistantly good. i feel that they have definately upgrade their wrs and i would say they should be seen as the favorites to win the superbowl. the colts lost a few key players and the bolts lost a few key coaches, the pats on the other hand, gained a few key players.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

it's hard to say anything negative about the pats simply because they've been so consistantly good. i feel that they have definately upgrade their wrs and i would say they should be seen as the favorites to win the superbowl. the colts lost a few key players and the bolts lost a few key coaches, the pats on the other hand, gained a few key players.

Well, they've definately done a great job in March and April for about 6 consecutive seasons now. They have strong, intelligent management.

But that's all that seperates teams like NE, Philly, and SD from the rest of the league. They aren't any more likely to luck into wins than any other team.

Some article I was reading made a great point. The Eagles are just the NE Patriots without the lucky bounces. Both teams have done an excellent job building their franchises, but when it comes to clutch situations, Philly gets hosed and the Pats pull a rabbit out of a hat.

And as a confirmed Eagle hater, I'm glad. But eventually, NE's luck will run out on them.

[holmester]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, they've definately done a great job in March and April for about 6 consecutive seasons now. They have strong, intelligent management.

But that's all that seperates teams like NE, Philly, and SD from the rest of the league. They aren't any more likely to luck into wins than any other team.

Some article I was reading made a great point. The Eagles are just the NE Patriots without the lucky bounces. Both teams have done an excellent job building their franchises, but when it comes to clutch situations, Philly gets hosed and the Pats pull a rabbit out of a hat.

And as a confirmed Eagle hater, I'm glad. But eventually, NE's luck will run out on them.

And when luck whens you 3 out of 4 superbowls let me know so i can shove a rabbits foot up leprechauns ass and then shove that leprechaun up Snyders ass.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by holmester

And when luck whens you 3 out of 4 superbowls let me know so i can shove a rabbits foot up leprechauns ass and then shove that leprechaun up Snyders ass.

There has been way too much talk about asses in the Warpath recently. Did we sign Jeff Garcia?

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

There has been way too much talk about asses in the Warpath recently. Did we sign Jeff Garcia?

Why do you like him

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by holmester

And when luck whens you 3 out of 4 superbowls let me know so i can shove a rabbits foot up leprechauns ass and then shove that leprechaun up Snyders ass.

Being the best team in the league in 2003 and 2004 certainly had a lot to do with that. Just because you are the best team doesn't make you a champion. Just ask 2005 Indy, and 2006 SD and Baltimore. If the Patriots had gotten the bounces those teams had (although for 2005 Indy, they just ran into Pittsburgh on the wrong day), we wouldn't be hearing much about them, would we?

Don't even get me started on the 2001 team. They were maybe the 11th or 12th best team in the regular season, only got into the playoffs playing a last place schedule, and as we all know, probably shouldn't have gotten by a much better Oakland team in the divisional round. Not to mention their path after than included a team Quarterbacked by Kordell Stewart, and a Rams team who certainly did not play their best game in the Super Bowl. 2001 NE was probably the luckiest season ever.

2002 NE was a much better football team than 2001 NE, and they didn't even make the playoffs. How's that for luck varience?

So if you can find THAT leprechaun, I will bend Danny Snyder over myself.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Being the best team in the league in 2003 and 2004 certainly had a lot to do with that. Just because you are the best team doesn't make you a champion. Just ask 2005 Indy, and 2006 SD and Baltimore. If the Patriots had gotten the bounces those teams had (although for 2005 Indy, they just ran into Pittsburgh on the wrong day), we wouldn't be hearing much about them, would we?

Don't even get me started on the 2001 team. They were maybe the 11th or 12th best team in the regular season, only got into the playoffs playing a last place schedule, and as we all know, probably shouldn't have gotten by a much better Oakland team in the divisional round. Not to mention their path after than included a team Quarterbacked by Kordell Stewart, and a Rams team who certainly did not play their best game in the Super Bowl. 2001 NE was probably the luckiest season ever.

2002 NE was a much better football team than 2001 NE, and they didn't even make the playoffs. How's that for luck varience?

So if you can find THAT leprechaun, I will bend Danny Snyder over myself.

Bend Danny over? AHHH What is next, rainbow avatars?

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Bend Danny over? AHHH What is next, rainbow avatars?

You are homophobic aren't you?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Being the best team in the league in 2003 and 2004 certainly had a lot to do with that. Just because you are the best team doesn't make you a champion. Just ask 2005 Indy, and 2006 SD and Baltimore. If the Patriots had gotten the bounces those teams had (although for 2005 Indy, they just ran into Pittsburgh on the wrong day), we wouldn't be hearing much about them, would we?

Don't even get me started on the 2001 team. They were maybe the 11th or 12th best team in the regular season, only got into the playoffs playing a last place schedule, and as we all know, probably shouldn't have gotten by a much better Oakland team in the divisional round. Not to mention their path after than included a team Quarterbacked by Kordell Stewart, and a Rams team who certainly did not play their best game in the Super Bowl. 2001 NE was probably the luckiest season ever.

2002 NE was a much better football team than 2001 NE, and they didn't even make the playoffs. How's that for luck varience?

So if you can find THAT leprechaun, I will bend Danny Snyder over myself.

01 Pats did not have the most talent. That is for damn sure. But they were the best team. Look at the 05 Redskins? We played some of the shitiest teams in the NFL on our playoff run. We got to play teams that were on their 2nd and 3rd qb's. But no one cares. A win is a win in the NFL.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

01 Pats did not have the most talent. That is for damn sure. But they were the best team. Look at the 05 Redskins? We played some of the shitiest teams in the NFL on our playoff run. We got to play teams that were on their 2nd and 3rd qb's. But no one cares. A win is a win in the NFL.

There was the Rams game...and that was it right?

Yeah, a win as a win, and the goal of the game is to win, but not all wins are of equal difficulty, obviously. The 01 Pats didn't get a lot of quality wins, and you could make a case that there were teams more deserving of their playoff spot than they were. But due to the way scheduling is designed to help lesser teams win more games (thus, parity), NE just happened to win 11 games.

I mean, obviously the biggest function of luck was Bledsoe getting injured...the only time he missed games in his career. Thats not going to be an 11 win team with Bledsoe, not even close.

Even with Brady, they lacked a lot of talent. I mean, they were among the better half of teams that year, but I mean shouldn't have been able to run with Oakland or Pittsburgh, much less the Rams.

The tuck rule received a lot of publicity, but what sometimes goes unnoticed is that had the weather not been such a big factor in that game, the score wouldn't have even been close.

Oakland lost the last three games of their season after starting 10-3 and clinching their division in Week 14. They lost to Tennessee, Denver, and someone else that year to end the season, all three on the last play of the game. Crazy finishes, too. But thats how close they came to securing the No. 2 seed, and being able to blow out an inferior New England team in the divisional round, assuming they even made it that far.

But that's the role that luck plays in football. Makes legends out of players who aren't necessarily deserving (and Brady would become deserving within 2 years, but we didn't know that).

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by holmester

And when luck whens you 3 out of 4 superbowls let me know so i can shove a rabbits foot up leprechauns ass and then shove that leprechaun up Snyders ass.

It cracks me up when people say NE is lucky. Not only have they won the 3 sb's, but they did something that you might not see again in this life time. They ran off 21 or 22 straight wins in a row. That is soooooooooooo hard to do in the NFL it's not even funny. They have had some turnover too. But what they have is Tom Brady and the guy is simply a great QB. He get a lot of pub. but he deserves all the praise he gets.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It cracks me up when people say NE is lucky. Not only have they won the 3 sb's, but they did something that you might not see again in this life time. They ran off 21 or 22 straight wins in a row. That is soooooooooooo hard to do in the NFL it's not even funny. They have had some turnover too. But what they have is Tom Brady and the guy is simply a great QB. He get a lot of pub. but he deserves all the praise he gets.

But do you not realize that winning 3 sbs and reeling off 21-22 straight wins in a row are A-list examples of exactly how lucky this team has been over the years.

They are good. They were the best football team in the league in 2003 and 2004 which is very tough to do. But they were lucky to play 21 games without running into a bad matchup at least once.

Great luck combined with great skill is a deadly combination.

[holmester]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But do you not realize that winning 3 sbs and reeling off 21-22 straight wins in a row are A-list examples of exactly how lucky this team has been over the years.

They are good. They were the best football team in the league in 2003 and 2004 which is very tough to do. But they were lucky to play 21 games without running into a bad matchup at least once.

Great luck combined with great skill is a deadly combination.

A bad matchup??? Please define a bad matchup. Is that a team that is better, matches up well against you, I dont think I've ever heard of a bad matchup except when it refers to a really good team (which was N.E.) during their streak) playing a really bad team. So actually I guess they ran into alot of bad matchups. Maybe you meant a good matchup because that would refer to two very good teams playing against each other. Which i'm pretty sure happened within a 21 game streak. I'm not sure why people can't give credit where credit is deserved. Luck is not a one sided thing, balls dont always bounce the same way and oppurtunities are presented to both teams during a game. The better team just knows how to capitalize. And trust me I hate the Patriots just like almost everyone else, I hope Tom Brady gets herpes, from Mike Vick, but In the end I have a feeling that alot of our hatred is the result of envy.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by holmester

A bad matchup??? Please define a bad matchup. Is that a team that is better, matches up well against you, I dont think I've ever heard of a bad matchup except when it refers to a really good team (which was N.E.) during their streak) playing a really bad team. So actually I guess they ran into alot of bad matchups. Maybe you meant a good matchup because that would refer to two very good teams playing against each other. Which i'm pretty sure happened within a 21 game streak. I'm not sure why people can't give credit where credit is deserved. Luck is not a one sided thing, balls dont always bounce the same way and oppurtunities are presented to both teams during a game. The better team just knows how to capitalize. And trust me I hate the Patriots just like almost everyone else, I hope Tom Brady gets herpes, from Mike Vick, but In the end I have a feeling that alot of our hatred is the result of envy.

Let me add "in theory" to the start of your bolded sentence.

22 straight games happened where the Patriots avoided something critically unlucky happening to them. Is it possible to be the most talented team out on the field every time you take it? Of course. But to win 22 in a row with nothing catastrophic happening in crunch time is the true definition of good fortune.

Do you honestly think we weren't a better team than the Titans or Vikings last year? Do you think that we were a better team than the Saints or Panthers?

Look, all those games were close, but ultimately decided by a select few number of event played out in the last few minutes of the game. In our case 2 went against us, 2 went for us. It evened out somewhat.

Well, New England played 22 straight games without anybody coming through in the clutch against them, which is absolutely astounding. Number one, its a tribute to them for dominating or being in every game, I'm not taking that away from them. But more importantly, when the close games in that 22 game streak came down to the wire, the ball always bounced NEs way.

When that streak ended, they were completely outplayed and blown out by Pittsburgh. No question who the better team was on the field that day.

[Manusky91]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

it's hard to say anything negative about the pats simply because they've been so consistantly good. i feel that they have definately upgrade their wrs and i would say they should be seen as the favorites to win the superbowl. the colts lost a few key players and the bolts lost a few key coaches, the pats on the other hand, gained a few key players.

You obviously did not read points 1-4