Santana vs. Randy

[Daseal]

I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

No way. I think he's easily in the top 5. Even if you're not a Skins fan.

[gabe1984]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

If he's in the bottom 10-15, I want to know who you think is better than him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

C'mon man, bottom 10 or 15? I know you thrive on pessimism but jeez

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

C'mon man, bottom 10 or 15? I know you thrive on pessimism but jeez

I'm assuming he meant bottom of the top 10 or 15 (i.e. 14/15). Awkward phrasing though.

Off the Top of My Head and In no particular order, the top 15 receivers (give or take a few) in the league. So you are telling me Moss is at the bottom of that? Who would you take over him (not counting age)? Smith, Holt, C. Johnson, Harrison, Fitzgerald, maybe Andre Johnson (who would be a real stud on a better team). So that still puts you at #7 on a bad day, but I guess you could make the argument for #9 or 10 . . . certainly not out of the top ten though.

Steve Smith
Chad Johnson
Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
T.O.
Donald Driver
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
Laverneous Coles
Hines Ward
Andre Johnson
Javon Walker
Fitzgerald
Boldin
Santana Moss

[gabe1984]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I'm assuming he meant bottom of the top 10 or 15 (i.e. 14/15). Awkward phrasing though.

Off the Top of My Head and In no particular order, the top 15 receivers (give or take a few) in the league. So you are telling me Moss is at the bottom of that? Who would you take over him (not counting age)? Smith, Holt, C. Johnson, Harrison, Fitzgerald, maybe Andre Johnson (who would be a real stud on a better team). So that still puts you at #7 on a bad day, but I guess you could make the argument for #9 or 10 . . . certainly not out of the top ten though.

Steve Smith
Chad Johnson
Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
T.O.
Donald Driver
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
Laverneous Coles
Hines Ward
Andre Johnson
Javon Walker
Fitzgerald
Boldin
Santana Moss

I put in bold the players, who I believe may currently be equal, or maybe better than Santanna Moss. Andre Johnson may have more talent, but he hasnt' gotten the chance to prove it yet because of his bad team. In addition, I believe that Santanna is faster than Randy.

Scroll down here to his 10th response involving his 40 time.
EXTREMESKINS.com - Oct 13: Santana Moss

Look at the bottom where it says trade to patriots.
Randy Moss - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looks to me they're about the same, Santanna may have the edge.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I'm assuming he meant bottom of the top 10 or 15 (i.e. 14/15). Awkward phrasing though.

Off the Top of My Head and In no particular order, the top 15 receivers (give or take a few) in the league. So you are telling me Moss is at the bottom of that? Who would you take over him (not counting age)? Smith, Holt, C. Johnson, Harrison, Fitzgerald, maybe Andre Johnson (who would be a real stud on a better team). So that still puts you at #7 on a bad day, but I guess you could make the argument for #9 or 10 . . . certainly not out of the top ten though.

Steve Smith
Chad Johnson
Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
T.O.
Donald Driver
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
Laverneous Coles
Hines Ward
Andre Johnson
Javon Walker
Fitzgerald
Boldin
Santana Moss

the players in bold should not even be mentioned on the list or in the same breath as the others on this list. Where the hell did Javon Walker come from, he simply hasn't played long enough to make this list (34 Games Started). Andre Johnson is IMO the most overrated of the bunch. He has never been on a competitive team and gets a bunch of garbage passes which boost his stats. He has only had one 80+ receptions season and has never had more than 6 TD's in a season (meaning that he is neither an outstanding possession or big play receiver). Santana (59) has started roughly the same amount of games as Johnson (61):

receptions: Santana (290); Andre (310) comparable
yards: Santana (4689); Andre (3953) Santana has 700 more
TD's: Santana (34); Andre (17) Santana has DOUBLE

Donald driver has played many more seasons so his career is further along than santana. But his numbers arent that impressive considering his tenure

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

DUDE! What games were you watching?? SM is in top 5!

[BrunellMVP?]

Randy is still a stud, he had no team around him, no QB, and no hope.
Santana is also a stud, with a young QB and new system.

both are good, i'd rather have santana...but the person who wrote that he'd rather have santana over every reciever save Steve Smith is simply pushing more blind redskins drivel. Please, harrison (old or not), holt, chad johnson, hines ward, anquan boldin, roy williams, these are all guys you've have to consider, with most, i'd argue being better.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

Randy is still a stud, he had no team around him, no QB, and no hope.
Santana is also a stud, with a young QB and new system.

both are good, i'd rather have santana...but the person who wrote that he'd rather have santana over every reciever save Steve Smith is simply pushing more blind redskins drivel. Please, harrison (old or not), holt, chad johnson, hines ward, anquan boldin, roy williams, these are all guys you've have to consider, with most, i'd argue being better.

That was me with the rose colored glasses.

Can you honestly think of, in the past three years, one, just one, wideout who has singled handedly shut the door on opposing teams at the end of the game like Moss has? I can't.

There are some that are probably more physical, some faster, but none can adjust to the ball mid air and turn nothing into something like Santana Moss. And I'd strongly argue your points about Chad, Marvin, Boldin..(They all have either a Pro Bowl QB or a Pro Bowler opposite them.) Hines Ward? You're kidding, right? Roy Williams, nope. Not a game breaker like Moss. Holt...again, look at the supporting cast there. Either he had a prolific passer or a stud opposite him.

And that leaves me with Mr. Smith. I'll say they both have comparable supporting casts, yet Smith, pound for pound, is slightly better than Moss.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

And that leaves me with Mr. Smith. I'll say they both have comparable supporting casts, yet Smith, pound for pound, is slightly better than Moss.

Has anyone noticed that Smith has bulked up considerably since the Super Bowl year. NFL Network was running a program yesterday about the Patriots when they won their second Super Bowl and there was this scene with Mussin and Smtih where I remembered thinking "God Steve Smith was skinny." However you look at him now and he has tree trunks for legs.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

There are some that are probably more physical, some faster, but none can adjust to the ball mid air and turn nothing into something like Santana Moss...

There are certainly more physical, but I don't know if there are any faster. I mean Steve Smith is right there, but as far as a guy who can go from zero-to-full speed in an instant, I can't think of anyone as fast as Santana. When he gets the ball in the open field he never, ever gets caught. I think back to that screen pass he took 70+ yards to the house vs. KC in '05. Man, he made the defensive players look like they were walking. He has blinding acceleration and his top speed is as good or better than any WR in the league.

[DEVIL'S OWN]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

DASEAL, good point and I bring this up, now were 6 games in the season, and just cause your a skins fans, dont be a dumb ass, R. Moss is doing all the right things, saying the right things and is easily a pro bowler, where santana is good but his ability has seem to slip (a little) Randy Moss is faster a big target and a redzone threat......were santana is just as fast, and a good route runner....his hands arent as good as Randy's....... I'll say it and say it until im blue in the face.......we are a big time receiver away from being an elite team.........look how close we are now...and we have no starting receiver over 6' feet we have a 6-4 220 Qb throwing down at his receivers... man this team is so close from being on the same level as N.E.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by DEVIL'S OWN

DASEAL, good point and I bring this up, now were 6 games in the season, and just cause your a skins fans, dont be a dumb ass, R. Moss is doing all the right things, saying the right things and is easily a pro bowler, where santana is good but his ability has seem to slip (a little) Randy Moss is faster a big target and a redzone threat......were santana is just as fast, and a good route runner....his hands arent as good as Randy's....... I'll say it and say it until im blue in the face.......we are a big time receiver away from being an elite team.........look how close we are now...and we have no starting receiver over 6' feet we have a 6-4 220 Qb throwing down at his receivers... man this team is so close from being on the same level as N.E.

I don't know what games u have been watching but we could not be on the same level as NE even if they had Santana Moss and we had Randy. Brady and Peyton are in a league of their own and they will not let their teams be mediocre. I don't think NE is unbeatable (in fact we have a chance to beat them IMO) but they have something that the skins won't have for awhile. Experience, specifically big game experience. They know how to close out games and they have that killer instinct. They were losing to Dallas in the 3rd quarter on the road. Could you imagine how the Redskins would have responded in that same situation? We might have been able to pull one out but I am DAMN sure that we wouldn't have put it into 6th gear and won the game by 21 points like they did. Sorry man I love the skins and am not a big fan of the Pats at all, but lets not get carried away.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I don't know what games u have been watching but we could not be on the same level as NE even if they had Santana Moss and we had Randy. Brady and Peyton are in a league of their own and they will not let their teams be mediocre. I don't think NE is unbeatable (in fact we have a chance to beat them IMO) but they have something that the skins won't have for awhile. Experience, specifically big game experience. They know how to close out games and they have that killer instinct. They were losing to Dallas in the 3rd quarter on the road. Could you imagine how the Redskins would have responded in that same situation? We might have been able to pull one out but I am DAMN sure that we wouldn't have put it into 6th gear and won the game by 21 points like they did. Sorry man I love the skins and am not a big fan of the Pats at all, but lets not get carried away.

I couldnt agree more. There is no way we are one WR away from being in their class...