Are the Redskins Below Average?

[FRPLG]

Other than Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, Chris Samuels, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, and maybe Marcus Washington there isn't a single player on the Redskins team that would take over at least 10 players at that position.

This is a dumb assertion because the top 10 is not even half. Try the top 16.:

QB-Campbell: no
HB-Portis: yes
FB-Sellers: yes (name me 16 better fullbacks)
WR1-Moss: yes
WR2-?: no
TE-Cooley: yes
LT-Samuels- yes
LG-?: no
C-Rabach: no
RG-Thomas: yes
RT-Jansen: not sure...we'll say no

CB1-Springs: yes(name me 16 better CBs)
CB2-Rogers: no
S-Taylor: yes
S-Landry: no(???)
RE-Carter: no
DT-Golston: no
DT-Griffin: yes(name me 16 better DTs when healthy)
LE-Daniels: no
OLB-Washington: yes
MLB-Fletcher: yes
OLB-McCintosh: no

By my count that is 11. Now some of them are obvious and some aren't(Griffin,Spirngs, Sellers) but on talent alone they are certainly better than half of the comparables. The question is health.

As to talent anyways...we didn't have much "talent" when our defense was ranked 3rd so maybe "talent" doesn't mean quite as much as he thinks.

He has some solid stuff but I think he is a little too negative for my liking.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

This is a dumb assertion because the top 10 is not even half. Try the top 16.:

QB-Campbell: no
HB-Portis: yes
FB-Sellers: yes (name me 16 better fullbacks)
WR1-Moss: yes
WR2-?: no
TE-Cooley: yes
LT-Samuels- yes
LG-?: no
C-Rabach: no
RG-Thomas: yes
RT-Jansen: not sure...we'll say no

CB1-Springs: yes(name me 16 better CBs)
CB2-Rogers: no
S-Taylor: yes
S-Landry: no(???)
RE-Carter: no
DT-Golston: no
DT-Griffin: yes(name me 16 better DTs when healthy)
LE-Daniels: no
OLB-Washington: yes
MLB-Fletcher: yes
OLB-McCintosh: no

By my count that is 11. Now some of them are obvious and some aren't(Griffin,Spirngs, Sellers) but on talent alone they are certainly better than half of the comparables. The question is health.

As to talent anyways...we didn't have much "talent" when our defense was ranked 3rd so maybe "talent" doesn't mean quite as much as he thinks.

He has some solid stuff but I think he is a little too negative for my liking.

But even top 16 wouldn't be half in many cases. Take CB for example. Each team starts 2, so half would be 32 (not 16)

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But even top 16 wouldn't be half in many cases. Take CB for example. Each team starts 2, so half would be 32 (not 16)

good point.

Springs and Griffin are undeniably in the top 32 at their positions.

Plus what it comes down to, like Grills showed in 04 and 05 is using the talent you have properly. If you tookmthe best at every position in the league and put them on the field using a bad scheme they'd get beat. Scheme and gameplan is as important as talent in today's NFL.

Look at it this way. Talent is the tool and scheme is the handyman. Just because the handyman has the right tool doesn't mean he knows how to use it effectively. What remains to be seen is whether Grills can use the talent we have better than he did last year.

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But even top 16 wouldn't be half in many cases. Take CB for example. Each team starts 2, so half would be 32 (not 16)

He has CB1 and CB2.

That list shows us to have top half talent at half the positions on the team. Which sounds pretty average. With 6 of those ten in the top ten, which seems like a decent sign to me, I guess.

But let's not forget:

K: Suisham- no
P: Frost- no (?)
WR3 harder to tell
WR4 no
KR: yes
PR: yes

Our depth is where we start to lose serious ground IMO. Where other teams insert third and fourth rounders when starters go down, we turn to Holdmans, Poseys, Foxes, Rumphs, (that is to say retreads,) and undrafted rookie types. Depth issues hurt you on special teams and filling in for injured starters. At least this has been a major knock on us, perceived or otherwise.

We seem capable of fielding a competitive starting outfit year in year out, we just can't handle injuries at all. The Eagles and Pats stick out in my mind as teams that are extremely well prepared to deal with injuries. Most teams can't win if they lose more than a starter or two, but the good ones can.

The other big knocks on us over the last decade and a half have been continuity, leadership and QB play, with QB play being the biggest factor IMO. Hell, if we had gotten a franchise type QB after JG I, Norv Turner would probably be the longest tenured, highest paid head coach in the league right now.

Fortunately, we have continuity and leadership now. So the good news is that it is all going to come down to talent, execution, injuries, luck and Jason Campbell. Now, anyone want to predict what going to happen next year?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by TenandSix:Unacceptable

He has CB1 and CB2.

Good catch. As for the other question of how many times our offense has won games for us. Didn't we have a couple of games last year (Rams and Giants I think) where we put up over 30 points but still lost? I mean what more can the offense do there

[T.O.Killa]

I think it had to do more with poor linebacker play. I think thats why they wanted Briggs so bad.