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[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i think its funny that it seems like you have more compassion for animals, then you do your fellow humans

That is absolutely true. Why? Cause animals don't know any better.

However, I have a ton of compassion for those humans that are just down on their luck but are giving 100% to change that around. None for the guy that thinks "poor me" with his hand out. There is a huge difference to me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

However, I have a ton of compassion for those humans that are just down on their luck but are giving 100% to change that around. None for the guy that thinks "poor me" with his hand out. There is a huge difference to me.

How do you go about telling the difference, or judging who's worthy of helping vs. who's not. Do you sit down and ask the person for his life story and draw the conclusion of whether he's worthy of your help or not?

Is everyone with their hand out not worth helping?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How do you go about telling the difference, or judging who's worthy of helping vs. who's not. Do you sit down and ask the person for his life story and draw the conclusion of whether he's worthy of your help or not?

Is everyone with their hand out not worth helping?

There should be absolutely no person on the side of the road that you should help...period. I've already explained why several times.
You should avoid giving money to charities that don't make others work for it. If charities are just giving it away with no care of the person trying to make a life change, then they should not get money.
You should use common sense when giving money away, otherwise you are helping an addict or helping someone continue to not help themselves which is causing more problems than solving. That is of course my opinion, and if you choose to give your money away to any tom dick or harry that has a hand out, more power to you. Don't be surprised when this epidemic gets worse and worse. And don't expect every person to share in your "generousity".

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

There should be absolutely no person on the side of the road that you should help...period. I've already explained why several times.
You should avoid giving money to charities that don't make others work for it. If charities are just giving it away with no care of the person trying to make a life change, then they should not get money.
You should use common sense when giving money away, otherwise you are helping an addict or helping someone continue to not help themselves which is causing more problems than solving. That is of course my opinion, and if you choose to give your money away to any tom dick or harry that has a hand out, more power to you. Don't be surprised when this epidemic gets worse and worse. And don't expect every person to share in your "generousity".

Well said, I mostly agree.
The "assistance" programs in this country are ridiculous. It is a paramount component to our immigration problems as well. They desperately are in need of major change. We have created generations of people who no longer have thoughts of jobs, working for a living, etc. Care to hazard a guess at the BILLIONS that are being pissed away???
I'm sure no real number can be derived with any accuracy. It would be a................staggering sum

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Is everyone with their hand out not worth helping?

For the most part, yes.

If you are of sound mind and able body, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to 'hold your own' in this country at the very least.

I think that when most people look at their failings in life, there's usually only one person they can honestly point the finger at: themselves.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I think that when most people look at their failings in life, there's usually only one person they can honestly point the finger at: themselves.

couldn't have said it better myself!

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i think its funny that it seems like you have more compassion for animals, then you do your fellow humans

That means he's a great animal rights activist.

[MTK]

Sounds like anger issues to me. But hey, if you felt that you saved the world that day more power to you. We obviously differ when it comes to our opinions on how to properly treat others. I guess you learn something new everyday. I never knew that it took a lazy man to walk away from a confrontation. That's an impressive life lesson.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sounds like anger issues to me. But hey, if you felt that you saved the world that day more power to you. We obviously differ when it comes to our opinions on how to properly treat others. I guess you learn something new everyday. I never knew that it took a lazy man to walk away from a confrontation. That's an impressive life lesson.

Well, I wasn't confronted, my wife was.
It started as anger issues...that I am not denying. The fact that he didn't get knocked out shows the anger issues subsided.
I think where we differ is where you would allow someone to mistreat you or your wife, I won't. We also differ in the thought that I think by giving him money, you are making the situation worse, while you think you're "helping".

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, I wasn't confronted, my wife was.
It started as anger issues...that I am not denying. The fact that he didn't get knocked out shows the anger issues subsided.
I think where we differ is where you would allow someone to mistreat you or your wife, I won't. We also differ in the thought that I think by giving him money, you are making the situation worse, while you think you're "helping".

Someone saying FU to my wife wouldn't qualify as the kind of 'mistreatment' that would require me to drive back to Wal-Mart, go in the store, buy dog food, and then confront the person with the intention of humiliating them.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Someone saying FU to my wife wouldn't qualify as the kind of 'mistreatment' that would require me to drive back to Wal-Mart, go in the store, buy dog food, and then confront the person with the intention of humiliating them.

If you recall...I went there initially to confront the person...I saw the dog, then my focus changed.
I had no intent of humiliating him, in fact, I'm sure it's impossible to humiliate someone like that.

[MTK]

If someone asks me for a buck and I have it, I'll give it to them. I honestly don't care what they do with it, I'm not trying to judge them, correct them or punish them.

Just curious, are you in favor of any sort of charity? Or does it have to come with a laundry list of exceptions?

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If someone asks me for a buck and I have it, I'll give it to them. I honestly don't care what they do with it, I'm not trying to judge them, correct them or punish them.

I've always been a spare change giver outer type of guy. Hmm...sounds like a cool Bud Light Real Men of Empathy commercial.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If someone asks me for a buck and I have it, I'll give it to them. I honestly don't care what they do with it, I'm not trying to judge them, correct them or punish them.

They didn't ask for a buck...they asked work for food, my wife offered, he said F.U. Open shut case here matty.

Just curious, are you in favor of any sort of charity? Or does it have to come with a laundry list of exceptions?

I have already explained the charities I give to, in fact I would wager I give more than 95% of the people here. (not that I'm judging anyone, it comes from the heart and I completely understand if people won't or even can't give to charities) I refuse to give to "charities" of people that won't help themselves.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If someone asks me for a buck and I have it, I'll give it to them. I honestly don't care what they do with it, I'm not trying to judge them, correct them or punish them.

If you saw a homeless guy with a broken arm would you offer him a job cutting your grass? I doubt it. Becuase while that may seem like help it really isn't because he can't do the job and would get nothing from it. I think what jsarno is trying to say is that sometimes what you deem as "help" isn't really helping. Human nature dictates that many people become dependent very easily. If giving them that dollar only further entrenches that sense of dependence then is it really helping?

The old saying "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime." comes to mind. Maybe instead of giving them a dollar we should focus on getting them past the rough times. That is why I want to see people who are willing to put work into fixing their lives. They gotta pull as much weight as they can. I'll help anybody who can't help themselves or those who can and try. Helping those who can and don't try isn't helping. Sometimes it is actually even hurting them more.