Belichick...Best of All Time????

[Redskin Rich]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But if you're going to knock Belichik down a peg for his horrible stint with the Browns, then don't you have to knock Gibbs down a peg for his 21-27 record with the 'Skins in his recent tenure? I can't do that though, you accomplished what you accomplished, a sub-par stint in another time or place doesn't change that.

1) Lombardi
2) Schula
3) Gibbs
4) Landry
5) Noll
6) Walsh
7) Belichik
8) Parcells
9) Brown
10) Rich Kotite

You should rethink the comment on Bill B and his time with the Browns.... think about it... one year, they are in the playoffs and heading in the right direction. The next season, while it is going on, the owner announces the team that is identified by that city is moving... and then everything went to SH_T.

and come on... Rich Kotite????? be real

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Redskin Rich

and come on... Rich Kotite????? be real

You should get 3 months for having no sense of humor.

Joke
–noun 1.something said or done to provoke laughter or cause amusement, as a witticism, a short and amusing anecdote, or a prankish act: He tells very funny jokes. She played a joke on him.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Redskin Rich

You should rethink the comment on Bill B and his time with the Browns.... think about it... one year, they are in the playoffs and heading in the right direction. The next season, while it is going on, the owner announces the team that is identified by that city is moving... and then everything went to SH_T.

Also, you clearly are missing my point on his Browns' tenure. That stint does nothing to take away from his accomplishments in New England.

[Redskin Rich]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Also, you clearly are missing my point on his Browns' tenure. That stint does nothing to take away from his accomplishments in New England.

Schneed... according to my wife, that would not be the first time I have done this...

But my point was if the Brown's had not moved.... he had things going in the right direction.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Redskin Rich

Schneed... according to my wife, that would not be the first time I have done this...

But my point was if the Brown's had not moved.... he had things going in the right direction.

I think you and I are on the same page, I think Belichick is the friggin man. I just wouldn't rank him top 5.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Redskin Rich

But my point was if the Brown's had not moved.... he had things going in the right direction.

IMO, I don't think an HC has the ability to get a team going in the right direction. The greatest good for a coach is to give his team the greatest and most consistent advantage year in and year out. You can do this motivationally, or you can do this strategically.

But ultimately, the expected responsibility of the coach is to make sure he is playing the best 11 players for any given situation. And I don't know how someone can make a top ten list and leave Andy Reid off it. All-time.

I'm torn on Gibbs. I mean he created one of the most innovative and effective systems ever and clearly used his talent correctly. But as the generations passed and more and more of the population became interested in football coaching, it's clear that the old horses like Gibbs and Parcells, while still incredibly effective coaches, were not so elite anymore. Since anyone can learn how to coach, the consistent winners are the teams who have better football players, a skill that cannot easily be taught.

In the 60s and 70s, a dominant coach could give a big edge to his team. Nowadays, the guy on the other sideline knows all the tricks and trades that you do. You have little advantage over the other 31 coaches, and due to this, the effect of coaching on the outcome of games is nearly nullified.

Anyway, here's my list:

1. Vince Lombardi
2. Bill Walsh
3. Don Shula
4. Andy Reid
5. John Madden
6. Bill Belicheik
7. Bill Cowher
8. Paul Brown
9. Chuck Noll
10. Dick Vermeil