Let's impeach the president.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i can tell by this post that you and i have a totally different outlook on life.i worry about the single mother of 3, doing every thing she can to keep it all going.i look back on my life, and realize how lucky i have been. at what might have happened if i wasn't so lucky. i always look at the big picture. i don't think any American can look in the mirror, and say this country is better off now, then opposed to 8 or 10 tears ago. this idiotic thing that we are involved in is keeping our country separated. it is not a war. in a real war, you always know who the enemy is. the president refuses to listen to those who have put him in office. we ARE one divided mess of a country

Yes, we are a divided mess. But we were all agreed to go to this war, some just decided to quit early. The ones that are quitting are dividing the country. Why start something you don't intend to finish?

You are also right that we have a different outlook on life. I firmly beleive in self responsibility and everything in your life, you have attracted to yourself, good or bad.
Do I feel bad for the single mother with 3 kids... well maybe. Are they from the same father? Did the HUSBAND die? Cause if she is just sleeping around and not taking resposibility for her actions, why does that responsibility fall on me and my tax dollars? I have no problem helping a woman that started a family and had a wonderful loving relationship in marriage, then the husband dies and she can't take care of that family. I feel for that. I have NO SYMPATHY what-so-ever for the single mother with 3 kids from different fathers that has never been married. NONE. Does that sound cold? Maybe...but again...I work and bust ass so that my family is taking care of, I shouldn't have to worry about what people with no morals or cares, or the people that have no responsibility are doing. My money should stay with me. I EARNED it, they did not earn my money.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Yes, we are a divided mess. But we were all agreed to go to this war, some just decided to quit early. The ones that are quitting are dividing the country. Why start something you don't intend to finish?

You are also right that we have a different outlook on life. I firmly beleive in self responsibility and everything in your life, you have attracted to yourself, good or bad.
Do I feel bad for the single mother with 3 kids... well maybe. Are they from the same father? Did the HUSBAND die? Cause if she is just sleeping around and not taking resposibility for her actions, why does that responsibility fall on me and my tax dollars? I have no problem helping a woman that started a family and had a wonderful loving relationship in marriage, then the husband dies and she can't take care of that family. I feel for that. I have NO SYMPATHY what-so-ever for the single mother with 3 kids from different fathers that has never been married. NONE. Does that sound cold? Maybe...but again...I work and bust ass so that my family is taking care of, I shouldn't have to worry about what people with no morals or cares, or the people that have no responsibility are doing. My money should stay with me. I EARNED it, they did not earn my money.

Are you sure you're not a Cowboy fan?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Are you sure you're not a Cowboy fan?

Why? Cause I practice and preach self responsibility?
You are obviously a democrat...only dems beleive in taking money from the hard workers.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Why? Cause I practice and preach self responsibility?
You are obviously a democrat...only dems beleive in taking money from the hard workers.

No sense of humor. You must be a republican.
I'm done with this.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Yes, we are a divided mess. But we were all agreed to go to this war, some just decided to quit early. The ones that are quitting are dividing the country. Why start something you don't intend to finish?

You are also right that we have a different outlook on life. I firmly beleive in self responsibility and everything in your life, you have attracted to yourself, good or bad.
Do I feel bad for the single mother with 3 kids... well maybe. Are they from the same father? Did the HUSBAND die? Cause if she is just sleeping around and not taking resposibility for her actions, why does that responsibility fall on me and my tax dollars? I have no problem helping a woman that started a family and had a wonderful loving relationship in marriage, then the husband dies and she can't take care of that family. I feel for that. I have NO SYMPATHY what-so-ever for the single mother with 3 kids from different fathers that has never been married. NONE. Does that sound cold? Maybe...but again...I work and bust ass so that my family is taking care of, I shouldn't have to worry about what people with no morals or cares, or the people that have no responsibility are doing. My money should stay with me. I EARNED it, they did not earn my money.

Your money is currently being used to fight a war against a country that did not attack us and has never used terrorists against us. It is also being used to fund tax breaks for the super wealthy, with the added insult that the resultant national debt will have to be paid off by you and your children. It is also true that a catastrophic illness can destroy you economically or kill you because of poor insurance; insurance companies are big contributors to the Republican party. While you're worries about the nickles and dimes that support the poor, you're being robbed by Halliburton and numerous other corporations who have their hands in your pockets. Further, your income is suppressed by non inforcement of anti-trust laws, as well as outsourcing and numerous bought and paid for governmental policies from the middle-ages that are designed to keep wages as low as possible.
Further, schools are terrible in most areas of the country, justice is obtainable only by the rich, your rights are being violated on a daily basis:
you are being spied upon, you are subjected to indefinate detention and torture if the government suspects you of being a terrorist, and your children are cannon fodder or potential cannon fodder while the children of the wealthy are ice skating in the alps.
As a fairly rich man, I can tell you that I have many tax breaks you can only dream about, enjoy the protection of the judicial system you could only enjoy by moving to a country like Sweden, and work only a couple of hours a day. I, in fact, think it both sad and faintly amusing when the middle class starts crying about giving the usual pennies to the welfare state and refers to me as "hard working" and deserving of the many thousands of dollars a year you dump in my pockets and actually believe things like the deficit doesn't really matter or that the Iraq invasion had something to do with democracy or terrorism.
We are in the middle east for power and money, and it's the middle-class and lower classes paying the fright.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Your money is currently being used to fight a war against a country that did not attack us and has never used terrorists against us.

LOL...you must be a comedian. I suppose Hussien was executed for cussing. If you want to think that Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism, then we really have no need to go on from here. That is laughable. On top of that, once we were in Iraq, there was PLENTY of discoveries about terrorism. How many of the top 100 terrorists were from Iraq by the way? (that's rhetorical)
ps- your democrats agreed with this war too...don't forget that and think just cause Bush is the one that finally pulled the trigger, that he is to blame. You can't go to war by waking up one day and say "Hmmm, I think I'll go to war today" (strategery like)

It is also being used to fund tax breaks for the super wealthy,

OK, I will comment on this one cause it disturbs me that you or anyone feel that the wealthy should be over taxed just cause they are wealthy. It's not right. The wealthy worked for their money (in most cases) so why are they being punished with a 35%+ tax rate when the normal citizens are paying 20% or so? ANy way you try to slice it, it is wrong. It's not right to single out a group of people and over tax them cause "they can afford it".

Also, MY TAXES are not being used to give a tax break to the wealthy, get your facts right. The middle class go a tax BREAK, not a hike.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

We are in the middle east for power and money, and it's the middle-class and lower classes paying the fright.

Oh, I forgot about this one...how is it exactly the lower and middle class are paying the "fright"? They both got tax BREAKS. We are paying less in tax now than when Clinton was in office...so what exactly is your point there?

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

As a fairly rich man, I can tell you that I have many tax breaks you can only dream about, enjoy the protection of the judicial system you could only enjoy by moving to a country like Sweden, and work only a couple of hours a day.

If you don't like the Bush taxcuts, have your accountant figure up what you would have owed under the old tax regime and send the government a check. Better yet, figure out what you would have owed before JFK cut taxes, when the top rate was 90%. As a fairly poor man I sure would appreciate it and you will sleep better at night and have one less thing to complain about.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

If you don't like the Bush taxcuts, have your accountant figure up what you would have owed under the old tax regime and send the government a check. Better yet, figure out what you would have owed before JFK cut taxes, when the top rate was 90%. As a fairly poor man I sure would appreciate it and you will sleep better at night and have one less thing to complain about.

ill tell you what. if its that easy, ill send my tax cut money back, if bush brings the troops home. i cant understand why he cant hear the american people calling for the end. he is supposed to be the voice of his people, right?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

ill tell you what. if its that easy, ill send my tax cut money back, if bush brings the troops home. i cant understand why he cant hear the american people calling for the end. he is supposed to be the voice of his people, right?

The people are wrong. You don't back out now.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by jsarno

The people are wrong. You don't back out now.

so, you're right, and 80% of America is wrong?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

so, you're right, and 80% of America is wrong?

Well, yes and no, but they just don't know any better. 95%+ of Americans are lazy and are easily persuadable. They don't like the fact that we are overseas fighting, (honestly who does?) and the Dems screaming "Bush lied" when it's not true, persuades them to take an even more aggressive stance. Dems cause problems, and offer NO solutions. Sorry if that is offensive.
At no time in history has one group of people agreed with sending troops overseas. There are always those that disagree with it. WW1, WW2 had a lot of people that didn't agree with it, but does that mean that we should have backed out? Absolutely not.
I'm sorry, but the Iraq mission is not done. I would never teach my kids to quit something they started because it got tough, and I appreciate the fact that we (USA) won't finish until the job is done, and we were flat out told that! There is absolutely no point in backing out now when the likely scenario would be that Iraq would fall back into their old ways and that makes all the lives lost all for not. So unless you can guarentee Iraq has changed for the best and won't go back to where they were, then we're not done.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by dmek25

ill tell you what. if its that easy, ill send my tax cut money back, if bush brings the troops home. i cant understand why he cant hear the american people calling for the end. he is supposed to be the voice of his people, right?

What could be easier? Do you think the IRS will return your money? They don't care if you overpay.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by dmek25

ill tell you what. if its that easy, ill send my tax cut money back, if bush brings the troops home. i cant understand why he cant hear the american people calling for the end. he is supposed to be the voice of his people, right?

Yes it is sad that Americans are dying. We all want the rest of our boys home. But how are their lives any more significant than the lives of the natives of that country that do need our help and actually have more freedom now because we are there. Freedom isn't free you know.

It was wrong to pull out of Vietnam, when the complaints of the people forced the hand of the President. It would be wrong to pull out of Iraq now. As badly as we want it, for our own selfish reasons it is not the right thing to do.

History lesson. The North Vietnamese were never able to effectivly penetrate and push our forces back. It wasnt until our withdrawl that they were able move into the south. The fall of Saigon did not occour until the last US Soldiers left.

So should we withdrawl from Iraq now and leave the people in the hands of a dim fate, or do like we did in Nazi Germany and help them rebuild and establish a stable form of less corrupt Government?

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Yes it is sad that Americans are dying. We all want the rest of our boys home. But how are their lives any more significant than the lives of the natives of that country that do need our help and actually have more freedom now because we are there. Freedom isn't free you know.

It was wrong to pull out of Vietnam, when the complaints of the people forced the hand of the President. It would be wrong to pull out of Iraq now. As badly as we want it, for our own selfish reasons it is not the right thing to do.

History lesson. The North Vietnamese were never able to effectivly penetrate and push our forces back. It wasnt until our withdrawl that they were able move into the south. The fall of Saigon did not occour until the last US Soldiers left.

So should we withdrawl from Iraq now and leave the people in the hands of a dim fate, or do like we did in Nazi Germany and help them rebuild and establish a stable form of less corrupt Government?

We are the dim fate the people of Iraq have been are subjected to. We've killed over 200,000 of them just in the last few years, as well as tortured
approximately 50,000 non-terrorists just to be on the safe side. We've also established what were built to be permanent bases in Iraq and plotted to use its oil to pay for the war and stake a permanent claim on Iraqi resourses. We attacked Iraq for money and to get a foothold in the middle east in a neo-con effort to increase American hegemony, just as we did in Nam.
Try dealing with the bitter and increasingly obvious truth (as the evidence stacks up) that our leaders have never cared zip about Iraqis. Try to be as smart as a typical Iraqi ten year old and the rest of the civilized world, which now regards us as world threat No. 1. We have been bamboozled by our leadership, which has made repeated attacks on our own Constitution and Bill of Rights and tried to establish an executive branch that is beyond the law.
The current administration believes neither in Iraqi freedom or American freedom. Until you understand that, you are living in a state of delusion and have no real chance of saying anything meaningful about our current situation. The war in Iraq is terribly serious, but it is relatively meaningless in relation to what Bush and his administration has done and is still in the process of doing to our country.