Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Well, everyone knows that the folks in New Orleans should've jumped in their SUV's and driven to their summer homes (as suggested by Barbara Bush).
Poor people ALL deserve what they get, right JSarno and SBF? Mother Teresa, Ghandi, Jesus...PUSHOVERS! HA!
BLEEDING HEARTS...HA!
"SCREW THE POOR!! THEY DESERVE THEIR MISFORTUNE!"
Now..pass me that Beluga, James.

See, you guys all let life come to you don't you? To say something like this is crazy. There are poor people that try, but the majority will get ahead eventually. You just don't want to come to the conclusion that you or certain people CHOSE their lifestyle. Don't tell me people can't change their lives for the better...they can! They just don't cause of the bleeding hearst here always willing to give a hand out.
So here's a suggestion...instead of bitching about some of us that actually care to keep our hard earned money, why don't you all get together and donate to all the lazy people...oops, I mean less fortunate.

PS- Mother teresa, ghandi and Jesus never preyed on the hard workers to live.

pps- YES, those idiot in New Orleans KNEW the Hurricane was coming...had SEVERAL DAYS of warning but they CHOSE to stay. Are you getting the common point here? They CHOSE to stay...CHOSE it. They had every opportunity to leave, but CHOSE to stay. Because you were sarcastic about their "summer homes" etc...they were all offered shelter and food at the dome as well as other places.
You know...if you're in a flood and a guy with a boat comes by to help you and you say no...then a helicopter comes to help you and you don't get on it...you deserve to drown. (that's hypothetical by the way) Don't ignore the people willing to help...they did.
When I was in Hurricane Charlie, I took my life into my own hands...I also helped others by allowing them into my buddy's apartment cause they would likely be flooded. During a time like that, the human spirit comes out and will help out...those people had ample time...even people that came around with buses to help and they turned their noses at them. Stupidity.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by jsarno

See, you guys all let life come to you don't you? To say something like this is crazy. There are poor people that try, but the majority will get ahead eventually. You just don't want to come to the conclusion that you or certain people CHOSE their lifestyle. Don't tell me people can't change their lives for the better...they can! They just don't cause of the bleeding hearst here always willing to give a hand out.
So here's a suggestion...instead of bitching about some of us that actually care to keep our hard earned money, why don't you all get together and donate to all the lazy people...oops, I mean less fortunate.

PS- Mother teresa, ghandi and Jesus never preyed on the hard workers to live.

pps- YES, those idiot in New Orleans KNEW the Hurricane was coming...had SEVERAL DAYS of warning but they CHOSE to stay. Are you getting the common point here? They CHOSE to stay...CHOSE it. They had every opportunity to leave, but CHOSE to stay. Because you were sarcastic about their "summer homes" etc...they were all offered shelter and food at the dome as well as other places. You know...if you're in a flood and a guy with a boat comes by to help you and you say no...then a helicopter comes to help you and you don't get on it...you deserve to drown. (that's hypothetical by the way) Don't ignore the people willing to help...they did.
When I was in Hurricane Charlie, I took my life into my own hands...I also helped others by allowing them into my buddy's apartment cause they would likely be flooded. During a time like that, the human spirit comes out and will help out...those people had ample time...even people that came around with buses to help and they turned their noses at them. Stupidity.

This is truly idiotic. Bush didn't even know how bad it was until two days after it happened, and he's the president. The ignorance of this argument I think really demonstrates the narrowness of your thinking on this issue. I am truly truly stunned by your lack of compassion here Jsarno, and I think even the most staunch economic conservative would likely be shook by what you are suggesting.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

This is truly idiotic. Bush didn't even know how bad it was until two days after it happened, and he's the president. The ignorance of this argument I think really demonstrates the narrowness of your thinking on this issue. I am truly truly stunned by your lack of compassion here Jsarno, and I think even the most staunch economic conservative would likely be shook by what you are suggesting.

Umm, they live 10+ feet BELOW SEA LEVEL! People all over the country were warning about this disaster years before it happened, they had 4 full days to evacuate, at worse, 2 full days. How much compassion should someone have when they aren't willing to get out of the way? Do you stand in the middle of the highway and then blame the vehicle that runs you over? Come on man...it's common sense.

I just really don't understand people that are so willing to defend idiots. (I understand that old bed ridden people perished and I do feel for that, they couldn't do anything about it) Other than that, if you have 2 feet would you not try to get out of the way of DEATH?
The fact that you are arguing that people should take their lives into their own hands by showing down a freakin hurricane is amazing. They knew the risk, they CHOSE to stay and face death.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Umm, they live 10+ feet BELOW SEA LEVEL! People all over the country were warning about this disaster years before it happened, they had 4 full days to evacuate, at worse, 2 full days. How much compassion should someone have when they aren't willing to get out of the way? Do you stand in the middle of the highway and then blame the vehicle that runs you over? Come on man...it's common sense.

I just really don't understand people that are so willing to defend idiots. (I understand that old bed ridden people perished and I do feel for that, they couldn't do anything about it) Other than that, if you have 2 feet would you not try to get out of the way of DEATH?
The fact that you are arguing that people should take their lives into their own hands by showing down a freakin hurricane is amazing. They knew the risk, they CHOSE to stay and face death.

See, you don't understand that mobility is a privilege that comes with wealth. You don't understand that dirt poor people in New Orleans can't just up and move to Denver, or somewhere suitably above sea level. You don't understand that they can't relocate at the drop of a hat when it looks like a storm is coming. You deny the existence of the dirt poor man with no education who worked hard everyday of his life to carve his own tiny little piece of the pie, and lost it on that day. And what's most revolting to me is you feel no compassion and - incredibly - blame the victims. You know, you can feel bad about a tragedy without having to become a socialist.

How about Sudanese people? I mean, they know they are living in a war zone right? Why not move (like so many wealthy Iraqis already have). Where do you draw the line?

Anyway, something has to give with our health care system. The center can't hold, with all the baby boomers retiring in the numbers they are. Moore's film is important in that it brings up stuff we are going to have deal with sooner than later anyway.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

See, you don't understand that mobility is a privilege that comes with wealth. You don't understand that dirt poor people in New Orleans can't just up and move to Denver, or somewhere suitably above sea level. You don't understand that they can't relocate at the drop of a hat when it looks like a storm is coming. You deny the existence of the dirt poor man with no education who worked hard everyday of his life to carve his own tiny little piece of the pie, and lost it on that day. And what's most revolting to me is you feel no compassion and - incredibly - blame the victims. You know, you can feel bad about a tragedy without having to become a socialist.

OK, you obviously won't see it the way I do...to each his own. They had buses that came to get them, they CHOSE not to get on. Who's fault is that?
What you're saying is a cop out. If you're life is in danger, you should do all possible to save it, which include forethought. No one is saying move to Denver, the fact that you say that just shows you're not paying attention. I didn't say relocate, I said get on the damn bus that is trying to save you, and or go to the shelters that are feeding you and giving you shelter. Again, common sense...but I guess you don't beleive in common sense.

How about Sudanese people? I mean, they know they are living in a war zone right? Why not move (like so many wealthy Iraqis already have). Where do you draw the line?

Are they Americans? No...so why would I profess they do anything? I am not talking about people across the planet. People in other countries are not privelaged like we are.

Anyway, something has to give with our health care system. The center can't hold, with all the baby boomers retiring in the numbers they are. Moore's film is important in that it brings up stuff we are going to have deal with sooner than later anyway.

Yeah, he's quite the humanitarian.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by jsarno

... but I guess you don't beleive in common sense.

Maybe not but I do beleive in spell check.

Good night my friend. May you never find your life imperiled by a natural disaster.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Maybe not but I do beleive in spell check.

Good night my friend. May you never find your life imperiled by a natural disaster.

Don't worry, I'll actually use my head and get out of the way if given a week to do so.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Maybe not but I do beleive in spell check.

Oh, and by the way...if you're going to correct someone's spelling, you can at least get it right yourself.

I often mess up Believe and beleive and the and teh...something wrong with my typing skills...but no big deal.

Good night to you...and please remember to start your bleeding heart foundation and make sure you collect all sorts of money for people with no common sense. Cause if you're going to complain about it, the least you can do is be a leader / advocate for it right???

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Umm, they live 10+ feet BELOW SEA LEVEL! People all over the country were warning about this disaster years before it happened, they had 4 full days to evacuate, at worse, 2 full days. How much compassion should someone have when they aren't willing to get out of the way? Do you stand in the middle of the highway and then blame the vehicle that runs you over? Come on man...it's common sense.

I just really don't understand people that are so willing to defend idiots. (I understand that old bed ridden people perished and I do feel for that, they couldn't do anything about it) Other than that, if you have 2 feet would you not try to get out of the way of DEATH?
The fact that you are arguing that people should take their lives into their own hands by showing down a freakin hurricane is amazing. They knew the risk, they CHOSE to stay and face death.

Where do you suggest they go? OZ? Neverland? Oh, wait, I know...Middle Earth!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Where do you suggest they go? OZ? Neverland? Oh, wait, I know...Middle Earth!

Had you been paying attention (I know...not a virtue that dems possess) then you'd see that they had a chance for a bus to take them away, and numerous shelters. But I guess some were too good for that, now they are gone.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Had you been paying attention (I know...not a virtue that dems possess) then you'd see that they had a chance for a bus to take them away, and numerous shelters. But I guess some were too good for that, now they are gone.

I mean, I'm a Republican but there's no need to make a blanket statement about all Democrats because you disagree with one.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I mean, I'm a Republican but there's no need to make a blanket statement about all Democrats because you disagree with one.

Completely understand and not all dems have that issue...but oddly enough, you comprehend what is layed before you, and they didn't. I'm tired of repeating myself.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I mean, I'm a Republican but there's no need to make a blanket statement about all Democrats because you disagree with one.

I'm curious, do Indians usually lean to the right or left.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Had you been paying attention (I know...not a virtue that dems possess) then you'd see that they had a chance for a bus to take them away, and numerous shelters. But I guess some were too good for that, now they are gone.

You are assuming that I am a "dem"? What's that a: "demigod"... a "demolition expert"...a
"de-mon"...a "demonstrative fellow"... a "demeter"...a "demure chap"...a "demandant"...a "demagogue"...a "demanding, demented, demiwolf"?
YOU GOT ME PEGGED!!!
Now, let's go shoot some tigers and club some seals.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Umm, they live 10+ feet BELOW SEA LEVEL! People all over the country were warning about this disaster years before it happened, they had 4 full days to evacuate, at worse, 2 full days. How much compassion should someone have when they aren't willing to get out of the way? Do you stand in the middle of the highway and then blame the vehicle that runs you over? Come on man...it's common sense.

I just really don't understand people that are so willing to defend idiots. (I understand that old bed ridden people perished and I do feel for that, they couldn't do anything about it) Other than that, if you have 2 feet would you not try to get out of the way of DEATH?
The fact that you are arguing that people should take their lives into their own hands by showing down a freakin hurricane is amazing. They knew the risk, they CHOSE to stay and face death.

You really speak of things you know nothing off and I'm gonna call you on it. You're completely making a blanket statement about people whose circumstance you know nothing of.

You make everything sound so easy and effortless. Nothing in this world is that easy. Let me ask you, why are you on your second/third job in a few months as someone pointed out in the past? I mean, shouldn't you be a high powered executive by now rather than hopping from job to job?

There are ton of people out there that work hard and they don't go anywhere. It really pisses me off when people don't realize how fortunate they are. Realize your fortune and don't confuse the misfortune of others for stupidity.