M. Washington at defensive end in passing situations

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No your clueless.

See, just as much analysis and information in my post, but not nearly as wordy.

At least he knows his homonyms

But seriously, I was a big advocate for bringing AC here about a year before we signed him so I'm not giving up on him now

JDaly, while I agree with you on Carter's worth that personal attack was out of line

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

At least he knows his homonyms

But seriously, I was a big advocate for bringing AC here about a year before we signed him so I'm not giving up on him now

JDaly, while I agree with you on Carter's worth that personal attack was out of line

Yeah, Carter came on at the end of the year and he started playing the way I thought he would all season. However, I was never that disappointed in him in the first place. He can't play the run...that makes him just like 90% of all the other pass rushing ends in the league. I like the guy, he's the best end they've had in years...apparently some people would rather the Skins just blitz whenever they need to get pressure and still never get sacks...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Yeah, Carter came on at the end of the year and he started playing the way I thought he would all season. However, I was never that disappointed in him in the first place. He can't play the run...that makes him just like 90% of all the other pass rushing ends in the league. I like the guy, he's the best end they've had in years...apparently some people would rather the Skins just blitz whenever they need to get pressure and still never get sacks...

My point is this: why give him $10 million to sign plus $20 million more over 7 years when you can just put Marcus Washington down there with his hand on the ground at no extra charge, and get the same effect.

[5RINGS]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

My point is this: why give him $10 million to sign plus $20 million more over 7 years when you can just put Marcus Washington down there with his hand on the ground at no extra charge, and get the same effect.

Washington would get eaten alive on running downs. MW at End makes sense in nickel/dime situations - don't they already rush him in their dime package? - on 1st and second? Would wear him down and he would get steamrolled.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Washington would get eaten alive on running downs. MW at End makes sense in nickel/dime situations - don't they already rush him in their dime package? - on 1st and second? Would wear him down and he would get steamrolled.

Carter gets eaten alive on running downs.

Which is exactly my point. I'm not suggesting they move Washington to defensive end, but Carter is such a liability on rushing downs that I KNOW that Evans or Wynn could do better. And then come an obvious passing situation, we could bump Marcus Washington down.

[5RINGS]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Carter gets eaten alive on running downs.

Which is exactly my point. I'm not suggesting they move Washington to defensive end, but Carter is such a liability on rushing downs that I KNOW that Evans or Wynn could do better. And then come an obvious passing situation, we could bump Marcus Washington down.

when Dallas played Washington, I saw the middle of your line as the culprit on running downs, not the end, but I didn't see that many Washington games last year - 3-4 I think.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

when Dallas played Washington, I saw the middle of your line as the culprit on running downs, not the end, but I didn't see that many Washington games last year - 3-4 I think.

I actually agree. I know we often hear about teams running left at Carter and Holdman, but I distinctly remember games like WAS v. TEN where we were just getting gashed over and over up our gut. I pray our coaches' faith in Montgomery and Golston is well founded.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

My point is this: why give him $10 million to sign plus $20 million more over 7 years when you can just put Marcus Washington down there with his hand on the ground at no extra charge, and get the same effect.

You don't know how good Washington is going to be at rushing the passer at defensive end, and if he is good, then we can have two good pass rushers instead of one. It will make it a lot tougher for the offensive line.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Carter gets eaten alive on running downs.

Which is exactly my point. I'm not suggesting they move Washington to defensive end, but Carter is such a liability on rushing downs that I KNOW that Evans or Wynn could do better. And then come an obvious passing situation, we could bump Marcus Washington down.

Carter got a lot better at stopping the run at the end of the year too. In the last 5 games, he got more tackles than he did in the first 11. He had 33 in those games and only 23 in the first 11. He also got 4 sacks in those 5 games.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by steveo395

You don't know how good Washington is going to be at rushing the passer at defensive end, and if he is good, then we can have two good pass rushers instead of one. It will make it a lot tougher for the offensive line.


Carter got a lot better at stopping the run at the end of the year too. In the last 5 games, he got more tackles than he did in the first 11. He had 33 in those games and only 23 in the first 11. He also got 4 sacks in those 5 games.

Huh???? Did you happen to watch the Giants game when Tiki ran for 235 yards. All they did was run to Carter's side the whole game. I mean he was gettting mauled by Bob Whitfied who retired cause he was 50 years old. Sorry but Carter is terrible against the run.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Washington would get eaten alive on running downs. MW at End makes sense in nickel/dime situations - don't they already rush him in their dime package? - on 1st and second? Would wear him down and he would get steamrolled.

True but Carter gets steamrolled too.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

My point is this: why give him $10 million to sign plus $20 million more over 7 years when you can just put Marcus Washington down there with his hand on the ground at no extra charge, and get the same effect.

I understand that. You actually elaborated on your point very well last offseason. I, however, am of the opinion that having 2 guys who are good ends/can rush the passer very well on the D is a good idea. I too think that the contract for Andre is a little steep, however, I think he will prove to be worth it in the end.