The legacy of 'W'?

[saden1]

Well said Smooty. I honestly don't get people who are still stuck in 2000. The man won and not only that but he won again in 2004. Time to move on and look to the future.

I don't even read the stuff Crazyhorse1 writes anymore because it's just a big rant along with some preaching. It's old and tired.

p.s. Obama for president because it feels right.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

Well said Smooty. I honestly don't get people who are still stuck in 2000. The man won and not only that but he won again in 2004. Time to move on and look to the future.

I don't even read the stuff Crazyhorse1 writes anymore because it's just a big rant along with some preaching. It's old and tired.

p.s. Obama for president because it feels right.

What happened to Ron Paul? I still have this gut feeling Gore is going to enter the race

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What happened to Ron Paul? I still have this gut feeling Gore is going to enter the race

I would totally vote for him but he's not going to make it out of the Republican primaries and he said if he doesn't he wouldn't run as an independent. Basically, I'm not going to be able to vote for him.

Obama on the other hand has a realistic chance of winning the primary. We'll just have to see if he can beat Hilary.

As for Gore, his time is up. I don't get why the fuck people want him to run. That ship has sailed. Time to move on.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

I would totally vote for him but he's not going to make it out of the Republican primaries and he said if he doesn't he wouldn't run as an independent. Basically, I'm not going to be able to vote for him.

Obama on the other hand has a realistic chance of winning the primary. We'll just have to see if he can beat Hilary.

As for Gore, his time is up. I don't get why the fuck people want him to run. That ship has sailed. Time to move on.

Good points. I don't think Gore should run, I just have this feeling he and Newt will enter the fray this fall. Could be wrong though.

I think I should accept that McCain is done now so I must look elsewhere. Who would be the VP on your Obama ticket?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Good points. I don't think Gore should run, I just have this feeling he and Newt will enter the fray this fall. Could be wrong though.

I think I should accept that McCain is done now so I must look elsewhere. Who would be the VP on your Obama ticket?

I think I would make a great VP therefore I should be on his ticket. No seriously, I don't know but I would get excited about Harold Ford Jr. Anyone ethical and with great character would do though.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

I think I would make a great VP therefore I should be on his ticket. No seriously, I don't know but I would get excited about Harold Ford Jr. Anyone ethical and with great character would do though.

Practically speaking though, could a Obama-Ford ticket realistically win though? Don't you think a relative novice like Obama would need someone like maybe a Joe Biden to balance out his ticket and cover a wider base?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Practically speaking though, could a Obama-Ford ticket realistically win though? Don't you think a relative novice like Obama would need someone like maybe a Joe Biden to balance out his ticket and cover a wider base?

That way of thinking did us a lot of good with Chaney as the VP. Then you have Kerry coming out now saying he should have listened to his gut feeling and shouldn't have picked Edwards.

My ideal ticket is not a realistic ticket for reasons quite obvious...lol. It would be a mistake for Biden to leave the senate for a VP position, that would be a demotion for him. I don't like the idea of picking a senator as a VP. He should probably pick a governor. Who? I don't know yet.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by saden1

I would totally vote for him but he's not going to make it out of the Republican primaries and he said if he doesn't he wouldn't run as an independent. Basically, I'm not going to be able to vote for him.

Obama on the other hand has a realistic chance of winning the primary. We'll just have to see if he can beat Hilary.

As for Gore, his time is up. I don't get why the fuck people want him to run. That ship has sailed. Time to move on.

I'm glad to see you come over to the Obama camp. He's definitely within striking distance of Hillary.

By the way, don't be suprised to see Obama and Edwards on the same ticket.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

p.s. Obama for president because it feels right.

I find it interesting that the Democrats are throwing every kind of minority they can into the ring. (not that they are doing it on purpose, just how it fell this year)
1- Clinton - female
2- Obama - African American
3- Richardson - Mexican
So if they are going to win the white house back, they are going to have to do it in a HUGE an unprecidented way.

FYI- I could get on board with Obama, but not those other two. You guys have no idea how bad Richardson is. It's like SS knowing Stewart, I have met Richardson on several occasions, and he is one horrible person. He has hurt this state a lot.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I find it interesting that the Democrats are throwing every kind of minority they can into the ring. (not that they are doing it on purpose, just how it fell this year)
1- Clinton - female
2- Obama - African American
3- Richardson - Mexican
So if they are going to win the white house back, they are going to have to do it in a HUGE an unprecidented way.

FYI- I could get on board with Obama, but not those other two. You guys have no idea how bad Richardson is. It's like SS knowing Stewart, I have met Richardson on several occasions, and he is one horrible person. He has hurt this state a lot.

They don't have to do jack because Republicans have molested the nation for the past 12 years. You would like to see people get on board with the democrats but the sad truth people are going to vote against Republicans more so than vote for Democrats.

As for Richardson, he's a recycled old timer I don't like recycling head coaches and I certainly don't like recycled politicians.

I actually did some volunteer work for Obama last weekend and was quite surprised how white people in general felt about him. They really liked him and I was taken aback quite a bit. It was an amazing experience really to hear what they thought about him. This is in the Northwest which is a little bit different from the rest of the country...we'll see how he does against Hilary.

I'm curious, in what way has Richardson hurt Arizona?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

This is in the Northwest which is a little bit different from the rest of the country

I am pretty dubious of the rest of this country in this regard. I tend to wonder if even Hillary has a chance in a general election. I know a lot of people I would be suprised if they voted for either simply because I don't see them voting for a woman or a black. Sad but true. I hope I am wrong, even though I wouldn't voted for either, but I strongly suspect that their race and gender are going to be bigger factors than everyone wants to believe.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am pretty dubious of the rest of this country in this regard. I tend to wonder if even Hillary has a chance in a general election. I know a lot of people I would be suprised if they voted for either simply because I don't see them voting for a woman or a black. Sad but true. I hope I am wrong, even though I wouldn't voted for either, but I strongly suspect that their race and gender are going to be bigger factors than everyone wants to believe.

If Hilary or Obama is nominated I would think the blue states would be behind the ticket but that's generally give. The states that really matter are Midwest states like Ohio and Michigan. That's really the rest of the country. The election comes down to those state's level or racism/sexism i guess.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

They don't have to do jack because Republicans have molested the nation for the past 12 years. You would like to see people get on board with the democrats but the sad truth people are going to vote against Republicans more so than vote for Democrats.

Unfortunately, you're likely right. However, Bush was not very well liked going into 2004 and he won cause the dems threw up one HORRIBLE candidate in Kerry. If they do it again, I think the republicans will stay in power. (ps- I am a registered independant in case you missed it, I am only concerned for the well being of our country, and I am huge advocate for alternative fuels and animal rights.)
By the way...12 years? How so? It's been 7 under Bush, and the previous 8 years before that was Clinton.

I actually did some volunteer work for Obama last weekend and was quite surprised how white people in general felt about him. They really liked him and I was taken aback quite a bit. It was an amazing experience really to hear what they thought about him. This is in the Northwest which is a little bit different from the rest of the country...we'll see how he does against Hilary.

That's because Obama is about as black as Brunell. What percentage african american is he anyway?
Sad thing is he won't get the proper recognition cause you know that KKK type people that live in the deep south could care less what he has to say.

I'm curious, in what way has Richardson hurt Arizona?

That really is a loaded question, and trust me when I say I am exhausted with dealing with him. But I will say these two things, 1- he bankrupted the state within the first 4 months he was in office, and 2- he ceased funding to the senior citizens who depended on it to give more funding to single mothers having more babies. I'm getting annoyed just talking about him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Unfortunately, you're likely right. However, Bush was not very well liked going into 2004 and he won cause the dems threw up one HORRIBLE candidate in Kerry. If they do it again, I think the republicans will stay in power. (ps- I am a registered independant in case you missed it, I am only concerned for the well being of our country, and I am huge advocate for alternative fuels and animal rights.)
By the way...12 years? How so? It's been 7 under Bush, and the previous 8 years before that was Clinton.




That's because Obama is about as black as Brunell. What percentage african american is he anyway?
Sad thing is he won't get the proper recognition cause you know that KKK type people that live in the deep south could care less what he has to say.



That really is a loaded question, and trust me when I say I am exhausted with dealing with him. But I will say these two things, 1- he bankrupted the state within the first 4 months he was in office, and 2- he ceased funding to the senior citizens who depended on it to give more funding to single mothers having more babies. I'm getting annoyed just talking about him.

I believe Barack was born to a Black father and White mother. But the father left so he was raised by his mom and her parents

What's with all this Richardson and Arizona talk? What does he have to do with Arizona? Isn't he New Mexico?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I believe Barack was born to a Black father and White mother. But the father left so he was raised by his mom and her parents

What's with all this Richardson and Arizona talk? What does he have to do with Arizona? Isn't he New Mexico?

Yeah, he's NM, but I know a lot of people get these SW states mixed up. i knew what he meant.