How Many Games Should Vick Be Suspended?

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

"But not even Vick disputes that he owns the property where, the feds say, 54 dogs were found, where equipment for training dogs was seized, where bloody carpeting and buried carcasses paint a clear picture."

Bloomberg.com: Opinion

Can one of the Vick apologists please explain why, if Vick is innocent, his property looks like a dog fighting business? What are the circumstances in which an innocent person would have such items?

Vick is guilty of at least harboring this kind of activity. It doesn't matter if he knew what was going on, or not -- he owns the property. I'm not saying he should go straight to sentencing, I respect due process. However, the NFL doesn't have to grant due process when deciding whether a player can participate in the league. It is clear that he is involved in some unethical, and possibly illegal, business. I don't think the NFL needs any more reason to take action.

Good post. You know, it's actually kind of interesting because I'm starting to see some similarities with Pacman. Pacman hasn't been convicted of anything yet, but the fact that his entourage kept getting into fights and gunplay was enough to get him suspended without a conviction. Now, I understand that the distinction is that Pacman had a much more "interesting" track record, but why isn't it enough to look at what AT THE VERY LEAST Vick's family and friends were involved in on Vick's own property to suspend him? Even if Vick isn't found guilty, he's already at least as culpable in the NFL's eyes for being associated with illegal activity, No? I mean, they are both trying the same defense: "it wasn't me, it was my friends and I can't control them......I didn't know what was going on". It didn't work for Pacman in Goodell's eyes.
You've won me over.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Good post. You know, it's actually kind of interesting because I'm starting to see some similarities with Pacman. Pacman hasn't been convicted of anything yet, but the fact that his entourage kept getting into fights and gunplay was enough to get him suspended without a conviction. Now, I understand that the distinction is that Pacman had a much more "interesting" track record, but why isn't it enough to look at what AT THE VERY LEAST Vick's family and friends were involved in on Vick's own property to suspend him? Even if Vick isn't found guilty, he's already at least as culpable in the NFL's eyes for being associated with illegal activity, No? I mean, they are both trying the same defense: "it wasn't me, it was my friends and I can't control them......I didn't know what was going on". It didn't work for Pacman in Goodell's eyes.
You've won me over.

Pacman is a completely different situation. He had arrests in college and has been charged for assault & battery, weapons charges, traffic charges and obstruction of justice. Until now Vick has never been CHARGED with anything. So now people should be suspended because of what other people do? Is that where we are going societally?

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Pacman is a completely different situation. He had arrests in college and has been charged for assault & battery, weapons charges, traffic charges and obstruction of justice. Until now Vick has never been CHARGED with anything. So now people should be suspended because of what other people do? Is that where we are going societally?

See post 87. And isn't that what Pacman got suspended for? He hasn't been found guilty of his latest crimes yet.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

See post 87. And isn't that what Pacman got suspended for? He hasn't been found guilty of his latest crimes yet.

Charged is different than convicted. He's been CHARGED multiple times.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Charged is different than convicted. He's been CHARGED multiple times.

And Vick has been CHARGED with multiple counts of multiple instances of dog fighting over the past 6 years.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

And Vick has been CHARGED with multiple counts of multiple instances of dog fighting over the past 6 years.

It's under one indictment, that is the major difference. He is not a 'repeat offender' because this is his first criminal charge.

Pacman has been ARRESTED numerous times. (per AP: Jones has not been convicted of a crime. He did, however, have 10 encounters with police and five arrests since he was drafted in 2005.) It's an established pattern of illegal behavior. He was warned numerous times by the NFL to stay out of trouble and those situations that breed trouble. He continued to put himself in those predicaments and was justly dealt with.

There is no correlation between Vick's and Pacman's situation.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

It's under one indictment, that is the major difference. He is not a 'repeat offender' because this is his first criminal charge.

Pacman has been ARRESTED numerous times. It's an established pattern of illegal behavior. He was warned numerous times by the NFL to stay out of trouble and those situations that breed trouble. He continued to put himself in those predicaments and was justly dealt with.

There is no correlation between Vick's and Pacman's situation.

I get the warned multiple times argument. But I still don't agree that the difference between a guy who allegedly breaks the law numerous times and gets caught each time and a guy who allegedly breaks the law numerous times and doesn't get caught until a few years down the road is really that much of a distinction......at least not in terms of what Goodell's options are. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. To say that "there is no correlation between Vick's and Pacman's situation" is a pretty bold statement, though. If that was true, I don't think this thread would be this long.