Brooks Works Out For The Skins?!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Didn't we learn anything after seeing MB struggle in picking up this system last year? It takes a good year to get comfortable in this offense and some here want to cut BOTH Brunell and Collins??

Thank god the fans don't run the team I swear.

So let me ask you this. If we could upgrade the back-up QB position, but the guy had to learn the system. Would you bring him in? Or, would you take a guy who has less talent, but keep him around just because he knows the system?

Personally, I think all this taking a year to learn an offense is a bunch of BS. How about running less plays and executing them better?

[Monksdown]

Personally, I think all this taking a year to learn an offense is a bunch of BS. How about running less plays and executing them better?[/quote]

What if the replacement is more permanent? Coaches watch game film, and they'll tear apart the 20 plays we have allowed our new qb to run. If Mark is healthy, keep him. Id rather have a smart veteran backup with the full playbook, then a younger backup(prone to making more mistakes) with 30% of the playbook.

I don't want to turn my back on Mark until he forces me to by retiring.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So let me ask you this. If we could upgrade the back-up QB position, but the guy had to learn the system. Would you bring him in? Or, would you take a guy who has less talent, but keep him around just because he knows the system?

Personally, I think all this taking a year to learn an offense is a bunch of BS. How about running less plays and executing them better?

Your comment would assume that Brooks would be an upgrade, and he is a downgrade. Have you guys not watched any of his games the past 3 years? Brooks is TERRIBLE, I'll take Brunell any day.
Of course, you could get me on board with cutting Brunell if Culpepper was the guy. Brooks just sucks...and sucks bad. There is a reason no team has picked him up, and there is a reason that there wasn't much buzz about him when he went to Oakland.
If it's about stats...why don't we pick up Kerry Collins? (that is just a joke)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Your comment would assume that Brooks would be an upgrade, and he is a downgrade. Have you guys not watched any of his games the past 3 years? Brooks is TERRIBLE, I'll take Brunell any day.
Of course, you could get me on board with cutting Brunell if Culpepper was the guy. Brooks just sucks...and sucks bad. There is a reason no team has picked him up, and there is a reason that there wasn't much buzz about him when he went to Oakland.
If it's about stats...why don't we pick up Kerry Collins? (that is just a joke)

He would be an upgrade IF he got a chance to have the full offseason program IMO, and got a chance to work with Sanders. Like a lot of guys, he just needs real good coaching. Look who was running Oak. offense last year? Some guy who owned a bed and breakfast and had been out of the NFL for 12 years? C'mon. You mean to tell me that a guy who had a two to one TD INT rate over a 4 year period, and during that period he started all 16 games for 4 years in a row, and is 30 or 31 and can't be a good NFL back-up? And you would rather have Culpepper who has sucked so bad the last two years that Miami cut him for an over the hill Trent Green?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He would be an upgrade IF he got a chance to have the full offseason program IMO, and got a chance to work with Sanders. Like a lot of guys, he just needs real good coaching. Look who was running Oak. offense last year? Some guy who owned a bed and breakfast and had been out of the NFL for 12 years? C'mon. You mean to tell me that a guy who had a two to one TD INT rate over a 4 year period, and during that period he started all 16 games for 4 years in a row, and is 30 or 31 and can't be a good NFL back-up? And you would rather have Culpepper who has sucked so bad the last two years that Miami cut him for an over the hill Trent Green?

Because I feel Culpepper still has something in the tank to show us, Brooks doesn't. Culpepper was taken out of the lineup the last 2 years (1 in Minnesota 1 in Miami) because of significant injury, Brooks...well Brooks was taken out cause he sucked. Also, why was brooks left out for Andrew Walter???? That speaks volumes.
Culpepper is a 3 time pro bowler, Brooks 0. I don't normally use pro bowl appearances as evidence that one is better than the other, but these are both QB's that played in the same era and the same conference. Culpepper has had one of the greatest QB season of all time, and it happened to be the season before he busted up his knee. Culpepper came back too early and hurt his legacy...but he'll be back.
ps- comp % is usually a good indication of a productive QB, Brooks career 56.5%, his highest in a season 59.1%...Culpepper's career 64.2%, highest season 69.2%. Culpepper's LOWEST season 60.4% which is 1.3% higher than Brook's best mark.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Because I feel Culpepper still has something in the tank to show us, Brooks doesn't. Culpepper was taken out of the lineup the last 2 years (1 in Minnesota 1 in Miami) because of significant injury, Brooks...well Brooks was taken out cause he sucked. Also, why was brooks left out for Andrew Walter???? That speaks volumes.
Culpepper is a 3 time pro bowler, Brooks 0. I don't normally use pro bowl appearances as evidence that one is better than the other, but these are both QB's that played in the same era and the same conference. Culpepper has had one of the greatest QB season of all time, and it happened to be the season before he busted up his knee. Culpepper came back too early and hurt his legacy...but he'll be back.
ps- comp % is usually a good indication of a productive QB, Brooks career 56.5%, his highest in a season 59.1%...Culpepper's career 64.2%, highest season 69.2%. Culpepper's LOWEST season 60.4% which is 1.3% higher than Brook's best mark.

Actually Brooks was taken out because he was hurt. Then we clashed with the coaching staff. What QB in your opinion would have played well in Oak last year? Not even Peyton Manning could have done well. So I'm not sure why NFL guys are judging Brooks on that. I would judge him on what he did when he had a good supporting cast. I'm not saying to have him be our starter. But jeez the guy has real good numbers, has a great arm, he can scramble and has NFL starting exerience. I knowt he blows Todd Collins away as far as talent goes. But I guess knowing an NFL system keeps you employed for several years. If that's the case someone steal this 700 page playbook and I'm going to study the living hell out of it.

In Minn. before DC got hurt he was downright dreadful. He got hurt well after he was playing very poorly. Then he played last year and was awful too. Was it the injury? It probably had something to do with it. But he also was missing guys and had a ton of fumbles. So that has nothing to do with it. I think the injury hurts his scrambling ability but probably not his throwing and def not his decision making.

I like Culpepper and he did have a great season. And he probably is not quite done yet if his knee heels. But it seems to me if his knee is a problem he should get his weight down cause he looks real heavy in the video ESPN shows when he was at Miami. But I am starting to wonder how many QB's could have done what he did if they had Moss and Carter in their prime.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Actually Brooks was taken out because he was hurt. Then we clashed with the coaching staff. What QB in your opinion would have played well in Oak last year? Not even Peyton Manning could have done well. So I'm not sure why NFL guys are judging Brooks on that. I would judge him on what he did when he had a good supporting cast. I'm not saying to have him be our starter. But jeez the guy has real good numbers, has a great arm, he can scramble and has NFL starting exerience.

Look at his numbers. I posted a link to his stats earlier. 20 INTs and a dozen fumbles (consistently) is not "real good". He had ONE somewhat good year in 2003...the rest were ugly.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

Look at his numbers. I posted a link to his stats earlier. 20 INTs and a dozen fumbles (consistently) is not "real good". He had ONE somewhat good year in 2003...the rest were ugly.

Yes but what you failed to mention is he had 26 td's during the one year when he had 20+ ints.

The fumbles are somthing I would not worry about. That can be corrected.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So let me ask you this. If we could upgrade the back-up QB position, but the guy had to learn the system. Would you bring him in? Or, would you take a guy who has less talent, but keep him around just because he knows the system?

Personally, I think all this taking a year to learn an offense is a bunch of BS. How about running less plays and executing them better?

Again, it's a little late in the game to be bringing new guys in, especially at the QB position.

MB is a perfectly capable backup and the value of him being on the sidelines to help mentor Campbell is something that can't be underestimated.

Unless it's due to injury, teams just don't bring guys in this late in the offseason for the sake of "upgrading" the position.