What!!!? Brunell to the Falcons?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Who else do you expect to pick the slack if JC gets hurt? Collins? Bramlet? Palmer?

I guess it depends on your personal preference. Im my mind it's just as bad or worse to give up(throw it away on 4th down, take a sack, etc.) when you're losing by two scores as it is to turn the ball over while trying to make a play, so I'd prefer one of the young guns.

My point is, the slack won't be picked up at all if Campbell goes down. Brunell may be able to fill in for a week, but if the season hangs in the balance, and Brunell is the savior, we're screwed.

[70Chip]

The rap I heard on Ramsey was that he is none too bright. Same as Shuler, who reportedly struggled to learn Norv Turner's system.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

The rap I heard on Ramsey was that he is none too bright. Same as Shuler, who reportedly struggled to learn Norv Turner's system.

I can't say I ever heard that for Ramsey quite honestly. I can vouch first hand that Shuler (and Frerotte) both struggled mightily to learn Norv's system. Norv insisted that if Aikman could figure the system out, why should he have to "dumb it down" for Shuler and Frerotte.

But that's all in the past

[Darrell_Green_28]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

The rap I heard on Ramsey was that he is none too bright. Same as Shuler, who reportedly struggled to learn Norv Turner's system.

None too Bright??? I know he wasnt a good qb but dont say he wasnt bright he had 2 majors dont remember exactly what they were but im sure you have to be in order to do that

[JoeRedskin]

Naw. I think there is a strong "Brunnell is a GREAT back-up" group amongst us warpathers (I being one of them). I also think there is also a strong "I hate Brunnell and never want to see him take a snap for us again" group. The reason this second group has not yet posted is b/c they are still in shock that anyone, ANYONE, would think that Brunnell wasn't washed up. Once they recover from their collective shock they will be preaching the "take any offer they give us" line.

My two cents - MB is a great back-up and could easily step and start for several games w/out losing too much on offense. Contrary to (anti-MB) belief, I don't think the season is over if MB is forced to start several games.

At the same time, given his age, if we can get some decent picks (multiple with one of them no less than a 3rd) THEN deal him. As Brud said, given the benefit he gives us this year and possibly next, to give him up for anything less than a very sweet deal is just not worth it.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Naw. I think there is a strong "Brunnell is a GREAT back-up" group amongst us warpathers (I being one of them). I also think there is also a strong "I hate Brunnell and never want to see him take a snap for us again" group. The reason this second group has not yet posted is b/c they are still in shock that anyone, ANYONE, would think that Brunnell wasn't washed up. Once they recover from their collective shock they will be preaching the "take any offer they give us" line.

My two cents - MB is a great back-up and could easily step and start for several games w/out losing too much on offense. Contrary to (anti-MB) belief, I don't think the season is over if MB is forced to start several games.

At the same time, given his age, if we can get some decent picks (multiple with one of them no less than a 3rd) THEN deal him. As Brud said, given the benefit he gives us this year and possibly next, to give him up for anything less than a very sweet deal is just not worth it.

Joe, your post beat mine to the board, but the sentiment is the same here. Good breakdown of the wp's brunell camps.
I can't think of anyone they might give up from their d-line, but if they had an end that could play in GW's rotation, it would make sense.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Naw. I think there is a strong "Brunnell is a GREAT back-up" group amongst us warpathers (I being one of them). I also think there is also a strong "I hate Brunnell and never want to see him take a snap for us again" group. The reason this second group has not yet posted is b/c they are still in shock that anyone, ANYONE, would think that Brunnell wasn't washed up. Once they recover from their collective shock they will be preaching the "take any offer they give us" line.

My two cents - MB is a great back-up and could easily step and start for several games w/out losing too much on offense. Contrary to (anti-MB) belief, I don't think the season is over if MB is forced to start several games.

I'm one of the never want to see MB take a sanp for us again crowd, although I don't hate him. He is a very good leader, a good mentor and a serviceable back-up to complete a game and maybe go one or two starts.

The problem with MB is, his arm is done. Other than the miracle against Dallas, he can't throw a pass with any velocity over 15-20 yards and his accuracy is nowhere near what it was 4-5 years ago. If there is no threat to stretch the field, the defense has a huge advantage and the offense is extremely limited. You can't survive on screens and 5-yard check-downs for very long.

That being said, IMO unless we get a sweet deal from Atlanta we need to hang onto MB through this season. There are no better back-up QBs on the market (Culpepper has his own accuracy issues along with health). I believe these AJC comments are complete trash. Culpepper is the most likely target by ATL because they don't have to give up anything to get him. They aren't going to pursue MB knowing they will have to give up picks.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm one of the never want to see MB take a sanp for us again crowd, although I don't hate him. He is a very good leader, a good mentor and a serviceable back-up to complete a game and maybe go one or two starts.

The problem with MB is, his arm is done. Other than the miracle against Dallas, he can't throw a pass with any velocity over 15-20 yards and his accuracy is nowhere near what it was 4-5 years ago. If there is no threat to stretch the field, the defense has a huge advantage and the offense is extremely limited. You can't survive on screens and 5-yard check-downs for very long.

That being said, IMO unless we get a sweet deal from Atlanta we need to hang onto MB through this season. There are no better back-up QBs on the market (Culpepper has his own accuracy issues along with health). I believe these AJC comments are complete trash. Culpepper is the most likely target by ATL because they don't have to give up anything to get him. They aren't going to pursue MB knowing they will have to give up picks.

What about the Jags game? His arm was hurt last year. And I agree that he shouldn't be going anywhere. Plus, I love him... LOL

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

What about the Jags game? His arm was hurt last year. And I agree that he shouldn't be going anywhere. Plus, I love him... LOL

First, I agree with you, MB is a great guy, top-notch person.
Second, (I just thought of this point) Gibbs is too loyal to let MB go anywhere unless ATL puts up a monster deal.

But....unfortunatley IMO the Jags game was the exception, not the rule since Nov 2005. Stats aren't everything, but I believe confirm what I'm saying.

Since Nov 2005
MB has passed for over 200 yards in 5 out of 18 games, and for over 250 in only 2 of 18.
He has thrown for more than 1 touchdown in 5 out of those same 18 games, but 0 touchdowns in 7 of 18.
His QB rating in 2006 was over 77 in only 4 out of 9 games.

I sat in the end-zone against the Chargers in 2005 and had a great view from as close to the QB perspective as you can get sitting in the stands. I watched on at least three separate plays where Moss had the SD corners torched on beautiful Post-Corner routes downfield, MB was looking right at him each time, but the ball needed to be thrown with velocity at about 35+ yards to the outside and he didn't make the throws because IMO he knew he couldn't get the ball there.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

First, I agree with you, MB is a great guy, top-notch person.
Second, (I just thought of this point) Gibbs is too loyal to let MB go anywhere unless ATL puts up a monster deal.

But....unfortunatley IMO the Jags game was the exception, not the rule since Nov 2005. Stats aren't everything, but I believe confirm what I'm saying.

Since Nov 2005
MB has passed for over 200 yards in 5 out of 18 games, and for over 250 in only 2 of 18.
He has thrown for more than 1 touchdown in 5 out of those same 18 games, but 0 touchdowns in 7 of 18.
His QB rating in 2006 was over 77 in only 4 out of 9 games.

I sat in the end-zone against the Chargers in 2005 and had a great view from as close to the QB perspective as you can get sitting in the stands. I watched on at least three separate plays where Moss had the SD corners torched on beautiful Post-Corner routes downfield, MB was looking right at him each time, but the ball needed to be thrown with velocity at about 35+ yards to the outside and he didn't make the throws because IMO he knew he couldn't get the ball there.

Can anyone remember the last time we had a 300 yard passing game? Was it Patrick Ramsey?

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

First, I agree with you, MB is a great guy, top-notch person.
Second, (I just thought of this point) Gibbs is too loyal to let MB go anywhere unless ATL puts up a monster deal.

But....unfortunatley IMO the Jags game was the exception, not the rule since Nov 2005. Stats aren't everything, but I believe confirm what I'm saying.

Since Nov 2005
MB has passed for over 200 yards in 5 out of 18 games, and for over 250 in only 2 of 18.
He has thrown for more than 1 touchdown in 5 out of those same 18 games, but 0 touchdowns in 7 of 18.
His QB rating in 2006 was over 77 in only 4 out of 9 games.

I sat in the end-zone against the Chargers in 2005 and had a great view from as close to the QB perspective as you can get sitting in the stands. I watched on at least three separate plays where Moss had the SD corners torched on beautiful Post-Corner routes downfield, MB was looking right at him each time, but the ball needed to be thrown with velocity at about 35+ yards to the outside and he didn't make the throws because IMO he knew he couldn't get the ball there.

Brunell has no almost no value. He and Collins are two of the worse QB's in the NFL and are only around because of relationships within the organization. They're security blankets for a couple of guys we know.

[freddyg12]

nothing to get excited about, just a journalist throwing out some ideas. But it's not that out of the question, just a while back we were debating who the skins would cut, MB or Collins?

What if they offered a 3rd or higher? A d-lineman?
I agree that it would take a sweet deal for JOe & co. to let him go, but if they are confident in Collins as the #2, it could happen.

[Hog1]

It would be a smart move for the Falcons. They are obviously, (potentially) in real trouble for a starting QB. Great leader. Decent QB. Maybe good, with good protection.
With Gibb's affililiation with Atlanta.........who knows? You know MB would MUCH rather start in the ATL, than ride the pine in DC. For the right deal.......??????

[Daseal]

Send him away. We'll get some compensation for him, we can keep Todd Collins (if Campbell goes down our season is more or less done anyways.) for that Veteran who understands the system and can help Jason.

Give him away, no. For a few draft picks, enjoy!

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Send him away. We'll get some compensation for him, we can keep Todd Collins (if Campbell goes down our season is more or less done anyways.) for that Veteran who understands the system and can help Jason.

Give him away, no. For a few draft picks, enjoy!

Because Todd Collins is such a gem??? Please. We need to leave him on the side of the road and hope he gets lost.