What!!!? Brunell to the Falcons?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Scary! Funny how when someone else wants him, we then see how much we NEED him!!!!

Ha Ha!!! Very true!

I've never been a Bruell basher, but there are plenty on this forum. I think it would be ridiculous to trade him unless we were offered the world in return. Simply no need to trade your best qualified veteran backup, a proven quarterback, when you have an umproven, essentially nothing more than a rookie quarterback as your starter in Jason Campbell. If JC struggles mightily or gets hurt, Mark Brunell is the only chance this team has to go anywhere.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

If JC struggles mightily or gets hurt, Mark Brunell is the only chance this team has to go anywhere.

If Brunell becomes the only chance this team has to go anywhere at any point in this season, I'm divorcing myself from the Washington Redskins. All Brunell has ever proven in Washington is that if every other part of the team is performing perfectly, he can be relied on to not eff if up, and that was two seasons ago.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

If Brunell becomes the only chance this team has to go anywhere at any point in this season, I'm divorcing myself from the Washington Redskins. All Brunell has ever proven in Washington is that if every other part of the team is performing perfectly, he can be relied on to not eff if up, and that was two seasons ago.

Who else do you expect to pick the slack if JC gets hurt? Collins? Bramlet? Palmer?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Who else do you expect to pick the slack if JC gets hurt? Collins? Bramlet? Palmer?

I guess it depends on your personal preference. Im my mind it's just as bad or worse to give up(throw it away on 4th down, take a sack, etc.) when you're losing by two scores as it is to turn the ball over while trying to make a play, so I'd prefer one of the young guns.

My point is, the slack won't be picked up at all if Campbell goes down. Brunell may be able to fill in for a week, but if the season hangs in the balance, and Brunell is the savior, we're screwed.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I guess it depends on your personal preference. Im my mind it's just as bad or worse to give up(throw it away on 4th down, take a sack, etc.) when you're losing by two scores as it is to turn the ball over while trying to make a play, so I'd prefer one of the young guns.

My point is, the slack won't be picked up at all if Campbell goes down. Brunell may be able to fill in for a week, but if the season hangs in the balance, and Brunell is the savior, we're screwed.

You might want to get your divorce papers ready because if the skins start slow, JC struggles, and it looks like the season is slipping away then Gibbs will go to MB to try to salvage the season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I guess it depends on your personal preference. Im my mind it's just as bad or worse to give up(throw it away on 4th down, take a sack, etc.) when you're losing by two scores as it is to turn the ball over while trying to make a play, so I'd prefer one of the young guns.

My point is, the slack won't be picked up at all if Campbell goes down. Brunell may be able to fill in for a week, but if the season hangs in the balance, and Brunell is the savior, we're screwed.

Is there any reason to assume that if Campbell got hurt, Brunell couldn't come in and do exactly what he did last year? Assuming that, is there any reason to assume that the controlled passing game of last year that relied on the skill players to be skilled would not work this season?

Giving up is not really a fault of Brunell. Brunell's main fault is that he is a horribly god awful passer under pressure. Solution: keep Brunell from getting pressured. This assumption that old guys don't care about winning and losing is not only absured by conventional methods, but also statistically incorrect.

My personal preference would be the best guy for the job, and assuming that Bramlet is no better than a replacement level NFL QB, it's Brunell in a landslide.

[crawfish]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Is there any reason to assume that if Campbell got hurt, Brunell couldn't come in and do exactly what he did last year? Assuming that, is there any reason to assume that the controlled passing game of last year that relied on the skill players to be skilled would not work this season?

Giving up is not really a fault of Brunell. Brunell's main fault is that he is a horribly god awful passer under pressure. Solution: keep Brunell from getting pressured. This assumption that old guys don't care about winning and losing is not only absured by conventional methods, but also statistically incorrect.

My personal preference would be the best guy for the job, and assuming that Bramlet is no better than a replacement level NFL QB, it's Brunell in a landslide.

Here is the problem. One. Our controlled passing game stunk the first 9 weeks of last year. If I see MB throw one more 5 yard pass on 3-8 I am going to cut off my TV.

Two, QB's are going to have guys hanging around them in the pocket. That is just how it is for an NFL QB. That is unless we only send out 2-3 guys out and Sanders does not like to do that. So Mr Brunell needs everything to be perfect in order for him to play well? Aint gonna happen.

Three, does anyone know if this career clipboard holder, Mr. Collins can play? It seems he did OK last year in preseason. Since Brunell can't get it down the field anymore could the coaches take a long look at Collins as the #2? Probably not cause Gibbs still probably has a hard on for Brunell.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by crawfish

Here is the problem. One. Our controlled passing game stunk the first 9 weeks of last year. If I see MB throw one more 5 yard pass on 3-8 I am going to cut off my TV.

Two, QB's are going to have guys hanging around them in the pocket. That is just how it is for an NFL QB. That is unless we only send out 2-3 guys out and Sanders does not like to do that. So Mr Brunell needs everything to be perfect in order for him to play well? Aint gonna happen.

Three, does anyone know if this career clipboard holder, Mr. Collins can play? It seems he did OK last year in preseason. Since Brunell can't get it down the field anymore could the coaches take a long look at Collins as the #2? Probably not cause Gibbs still probably has a hard on for Brunell.

I saw Collins play in our last pre season game, he was awful!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I guess it depends on your personal preference. Im my mind it's just as bad or worse to give up(throw it away on 4th down, take a sack, etc.) when you're losing by two scores as it is to turn the ball over while trying to make a play, so I'd prefer one of the young guns.

My point is, the slack won't be picked up at all if Campbell goes down. Brunell may be able to fill in for a week, but if the season hangs in the balance, and Brunell is the savior, we're screwed.

Got that right! And once again rather than give a young QB a chance, we will continue with Brunell and go no were significant, so that next season we can all have the same argument again, WE CAN'T LET MARK GO BECAUSE WE HAVE NO EXPERIENCED QB BEHIND CAMPBELL! We should already have an experienced younger QB behind Campbell but we have been married to a washed up, overpaid loser in Brunell, we just had to have Collins as well last season who is absolutly pathetic, which also detracted from a younger talent learning as a backup.

This notion that we are in trouble if we let Brunell go is a joke, the fact is we are in trouble until we let him go! Sooner or later Gibbs has to cut the cord with this guy and realize that there are people on this planet who can play QB besides his beloved Brunell. If Campbell goes down, all of a sudden Brunell is going to lead us to the promised land? He's proven otherwise, I would much rather have an inexperienced QB in there who has the possiblity of becoming a winner, rather than a proven loser like Brunell. Brunell has had more than his fair share of opportunities to lead this team and has been horrible, time to move on!

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by offiss

Got that right! And once again rather than give a young QB a chance, we will continue with Brunell and go no were significant, so that next season we can all have the same argument again, WE CAN'T LET MARK GO BECAUSE WE HAVE NO EXPERIENCED QB BEHIND CAMPBELL! We should already have an experienced younger QB behind Campbell but we have been married to a washed up, overpaid loser in Brunell, we just had to have Collins as well last season who is absolutly pathetic, which also detracted from a younger talent learning as a backup.

This notion that we are in trouble if we let Brunell go is a joke, the fact is we are in trouble until we let him go! Sooner or later Gibbs has to cut the cord with this guy and realize that there are people on this planet who can play QB besides his beloved Brunell. If Campbell goes down, all of a sudden Brunell is going to lead us to the promised land? He's proven otherwise, I would much rather have an inexperienced QB in there who has the possiblity of becoming a winner, rather than a proven loser like Brunell. Brunell has had more than his fair share of opportunities to lead this team and has been horrible, time to move on!

This is Brunells last year on the team. When he restructured his contract before this season, it was made so it automatically voids after this season. He's probably gonna retire after this year.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ramsey was a double major, Accouting and Finance.

He was also named to the Conference USA Commissioner's honor roll 5 times.

When it came to school he was no joke, Tulane is a good school too.

His football IQ might be lacking, but off the field he seems pretty sharp.

And I can guarantee you that every teacher I had at Tulane put more pressure on football players to perform. I had 2 classes that had football players in them while I was there and in one class I witnessed a teacher rant against football players missing class for any reason relating to football because they "aren't going to the NFL." At the very least the football players were held to the same standard as the rest of us.

I knew a couple guys on the team, they certainly didn't get a free pass. And, on that note, they were all pretty damn bright. If you're recruited by TU you have to have the grades to go there. It doesn't have a reputation for being the "Harvard of the South" for no reason.

Finally, from personal experience, I have no idea how Pat double majored. I was killing myself trying to keep up with 12 credits there. I came away with great grades, but I worked as hard as I ever have for those A's. That school is hard as hell, to double major without being an athlete is crazy, I don't see how he did it.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by offiss

Got that right! And once again rather than give a young QB a chance, we will continue with Brunell and go no were significant, so that next season we can all have the same argument again, WE CAN'T LET MARK GO BECAUSE WE HAVE NO EXPERIENCED QB BEHIND CAMPBELL! We should already have an experienced younger QB behind Campbell but we have been married to a washed up, overpaid loser in Brunell, we just had to have Collins as well last season who is absolutly pathetic, which also detracted from a younger talent learning as a backup.

This notion that we are in trouble if we let Brunell go is a joke, the fact is we are in trouble until we let him go! Sooner or later Gibbs has to cut the cord with this guy and realize that there are people on this planet who can play QB besides his beloved Brunell. If Campbell goes down, all of a sudden Brunell is going to lead us to the promised land? He's proven otherwise, I would much rather have an inexperienced QB in there who has the possiblity of becoming a winner, rather than a proven loser like Brunell. Brunell has had more than his fair share of opportunities to lead this team and has been horrible, time to move on!

I guarantee you that Brunell would be far better than any other QB we have on the current depth chart should JC get hurt. To say otherwise is just incorrect. I really think he'd be fine and able to maintain whatever JC started, assuming JC starts something good. The jury is still out.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I guarantee you that Brunell would be far better than any other QB we have on the current depth chart should JC get hurt. To say otherwise is just incorrect. I really think he'd be fine and able to maintain whatever JC started, assuming JC starts something good. The jury is still out.

So in essense you are guarenteeing no QB could win 3 games this season?

[70Chip]

The rap I heard on Ramsey was that he is none too bright. Same as Shuler, who reportedly struggled to learn Norv Turner's system.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

The rap I heard on Ramsey was that he is none too bright. Same as Shuler, who reportedly struggled to learn Norv Turner's system.

I can't say I ever heard that for Ramsey quite honestly. I can vouch first hand that Shuler (and Frerotte) both struggled mightily to learn Norv's system. Norv insisted that if Aikman could figure the system out, why should he have to "dumb it down" for Shuler and Frerotte.

But that's all in the past