The Never Ending Thread

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, Rogers did have a good amount of PD's, and that generally means a good CB. I had very high expectations for him out of college...who knows, maybe the fact that everyone has counted him out will mean he will step up this year?

I looked up his stats because I got bored. He (Carlos Rogers) had 16 passes defensed with 1 INT last season.

To put it into perspective; Champ Bailey averages 12 passes defensed and almost 5 INT's a year. That's because the past two years he got 8 and 10 intercecptions which really boosted his average.

Deangelo Hall defensed 12 passes last season with 4 INT's. (PRO BOWL)
Rhonde Barber 13 with 3 (PRO BOWL)
Walt Harris 12 with 8 (PRO BOWL)
Lito Shepard 13 with 6 (PRO BOWL)

Just so that you know, an intercecption counts as a defensed pass. So had Carlos Rogers caught 5 more of the balls that he defensed; then he would have had 16 defensed passes with 6 INT's.

So you are right if Carlos catches a few more of them he will have Champ like numbers. But his passes defensed alone proves that he is already a good CB, he is just not great yet. In other words a solid number 1, but not a game breaker.

I am not saying that he is as elite as Champ is now, but given a few more years he just might be. I think that he will break out this season.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by angryssg

I looked up his stats because I got bored. He (Carlos Rogers) had 16 passes defensed with 1 INT last season.

To put it into perspective; Champ Bailey averages 12 passes defensed and almost 5 INT's a year. That's because the past two years he got 8 and 10 intercecptions which really boosted his average.

Deangelo Hall defensed 12 passes last season with 4 INT's. (PRO BOWL)
Rhonde Barber 13 with 3 (PRO BOWL)
Walt Harris 12 with 8 (PRO BOWL)
Lito Shepard 13 with 6 (PRO BOWL)

Just so that you know, an intercecption counts as a defensed pass. So had Carlos Rogers caught 5 more of the balls that he defensed; then he would have had 16 defensed passes with 6 INT's.

So you are right if Carlos catches a few more of them he will have Champ like numbers. But his passes defensed alone proves that he is already a good CB, he is just not great yet. In other words a solid number 1, but not a game breaker.

I am not saying that he is as elite as Champ is now, but given a few more years he just might be. I think that he will break out this season.

By the way, love the sig. LOL. Nice to know SOMEONE is listening to me. LOL.

What you posted was kinda my point...we harped on the fact that he couldn't catch a cold, but if he caught a good 5 or maybe 6 of those balls, we would have an entirely different tune. If he had caught those, then it would have been our ball, not the other team having another opportunity, it would have changed A LOT.
So I think you're right...I think he'll have a breakout season this year. You've convinced me.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

By the way, love the sig. LOL. Nice to know SOMEONE is listening to me. LOL.

What you posted was kinda my point...we harped on the fact that he couldn't catch a cold, but if he caught a good 5 or maybe 6 of those balls, we would have an entirely different tune. If he had caught those, then it would have been our ball, not the other team having another opportunity, it would have changed A LOT.
So I think you're right...I think he'll have a breakout season this year. You've convinced me.

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Glad to see that you are with me on Carlos.

In response to BSB. I wish that they had that stat as well. The only way to find out is to watch every game and figure it out for yourself. While Bailey doesn't get many balls thrown his way nowadays he had to get tested eariler in his career and take advantage of his opportunities. I believe that this is Carlos's year.