Iraq: Who Has the Right Plan?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

you cant have your cake and eat it, too. either you go into Iraq, with a strong plan, both entry and exit, or you don't go in at all. once you are there, you try to accomplish your goals, as quickly as possible. and then turn over their country to them. to say we should let them take a vacation, in the middle of a civil war, is insane. how would Americans have felt if on sept 12, 2001, congress took a 3 week vacation. and i like how beems said it, if we are footing the bill, we have the right to question every move thats made. bush has already destroyed the united states good stranding around the world, so why worry about stepping on some more toes?

Let them?

This is what I am talking about. First off I agree that they should not be doing this. But, as you have stated in the past, you believe Bush and the administration have hurt us politically around the world with our foreign policy. Presummably a lot of that idea centers around the whole imperialist description that so many throw around. To then assert that we should MAKE another sovreign country's government not take a vacation is adovating, no demanding, that he do something undeniably imperialistic. I am simply pointing out that you are talking out of both sides of your mouth here. Please correct me if I have mischaracterized your position. It is not my intention. For the record I think Bush ought to call Malaki up and ream his ass for letting this happen but then again I don't bash Bush on a regular basis for his imeprialistic foreign policy that has hurt us so badly.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Let them?

This is what I am talking about. First off I agree that they should not be doing this. But, as you have stated in the past, you believe Bush and the administration have hurt us politically around the world with our foreign policy. Presummably a lot of that idea centers around the whole imperialist description that so many throw around. To then assert that we should MAKE another sovreign country's government not take a vacation is adovating, no demanding, that he do something undeniably imperialistic. I am simply pointing out that you are talking out of both sides of your mouth here. Please correct me if I have mischaracterized your position. It is not my intention. For the record I think Bush ought to call Malaki up and ream his ass for letting this happen but then again I don't bash Bush on a regular basis for his imeprialistic foreign policy that has hurt us so badly.

I am one who has criticized not just this administration, but the interventionist foreign policies of presidents long past regardless of their party affiliation.

The complaint people have about Iraqi government officials taking a month-long vacation isn't rooted in some sort of twisted desire for the United States to dictate how much time off another country may give its officials.

The outcry you're hearing is the outrage people have over the so-called Iraqi "leaders" kicking back for some R & R while our troops are risking life and limb doing the real dirty work. If they feel the situation in their country is such that they can chill for a month on vacation, then our soldiers and marines should be able to do the same thing.

The hypocrisy you speak of lies with the Bush administration who is telling us on the one hand that it's perfectly fine for Iraqi government officials to leave their duties for 30 days to rest up, but on the other hand the situation is in such a delicate state that we don't dare pull our troops out or else the whole country will collapse.

That's the real inconsistency you should be concerned with.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I am one who has criticized not just this administration, but the interventionist foreign policies of presidents long past regardless of their party affiliation.

The complaint people have about Iraqi government officials taking a month-long vacation isn't rooted in some sort of twisted desire for the United States to dictate how much time off another country may give its officials.

The outcry you're hearing is the outrage people have over the so-called Iraqi "leaders" kicking back for some R & R while our troops are risking life and limb doing the real dirty work. If they feel the situation in their country is such that they can chill for a month on vacation, then our soldiers and marines should be able to do the same thing.

The hypocrisy you speak of lies with the Bush administration who is telling us on the one hand that it's perfectly fine for Iraqi government officials to leave their duties for 30 days to rest up, but on the other hand the situation is in such a delicate state that we don't dare pull our troops out or else the whole country will collapse.

That's the real inconsistency you should be concerned with.

Geez would you read what I said. I agree with you. I am simply pointing out there saying we should do something to make them not take such a vactions is exactly the kinds of things that people berate Bush for everywhere else. That to me is hypocrisy.

Again, I agree with you.