Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I mean the key questions here are:

- What makes Brady Quinn any different from Aaron Rodgers and Jason Campbell?

- If the NFL (ie, THE MARKET) had a general consensus in place that Quinn was a top 10 pick, then why did he fall all the way to 22?

Answers:

Quinn's situation is no different from the situations of Rodgers and Campbell.

He fell to 22 because teams felt there were 21 other players who would help their team more. And when some of those teams were offered a trade by anyone interested in trading up for Quinn, the Browns didn't offer enough to make it worthwhile to trade down. That tells me that even the Browns had limits on their opinion of Quinn.

Of course they're going to say "We think Brady Quinn will be a great QB in this league." Doesn't mean he should get paid like Leinart or Carson Palmer. After all, the 'Skins thought Jason Campbell would be great, and he got 8 million over 5 years.

Quinn's got nothing.

The Cleveland Browns, perennial losers (and likely this next year also) traded a first round pick to move up and get Brady Quinn.

That did not happen in Campbell's case, nor in Rodgers. Thats the difference here.

I don't think hes looking for top ten pay (if he is, Condon is insane). He's just looking to leapfrog a few pay spots because his services are apparently more valuable to Cleveland than Reggie Nelson's are to Jacksonville, or Aaron Ross' are to the Giants.

I don't think many would disagree with that. The Browns leverage is to say that they took him at 22, and he should be paid accordingly, but if they honestly believe they can sell the farm to trade for a guy, and come back and say he doesnt have more value than the people taken ahead of him...then I can't see this deal getting done anytime soon.

Saying that the Browns have all the leverage here is blatently false. If Quinn doesn't sign, he likely goes back into the draft, and gets picked in the 2nd round next year as a flier. He loses a little money over what he would have gotten by giving in. Meanwhile the Browns totally lose a second round pick in 2007 and a first rounder in 2008, and their entire coaching staff and front office gets whacked!

I'd say Quinn's got the leverage, although its clearly in both parties best interest (as always) to compromise.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The Cleveland Browns, perennial losers (and likely this next year also) traded a first round pick to move up and get Brady Quinn.

That did not happen in Campbell's case, nor in Rodgers. Thats the difference here.

I'm pretty sure the Redskins traded a first round pick (among other things) to move up and draft Campbell

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm pretty sure the Redskins traded a first round pick (among other things) to move up and draft Campbell

Yeah, totally slipped my mind.

Even still, the price on Quinn was still significantly higher than the price on JC, trading up from the 2nd round as opposed to swapping a pick from one year to the next. And I also think that the fact that the Browns traded up specifically to get Quinn whereas the Skins wanted to target a QB at 25 (and made the trade 3 weeks prior to the draft) definately seperates the value even further.

Still, I'm shocked that Campbell's deal wasn't leaps and bounds better than Rodgers'.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Still, I'm shocked that Campbell's deal wasn't leaps and bounds better than Rodgers'.

It's simple. It doesn't matter whether someone moved up to get you or not. Look at history. Campbell didn't get a better deal than Rodgers because Rodgers got picked one spot before him.

[SantanaMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, totally slipped my mind.

Even still, the price on Quinn was still significantly higher than the price on JC, trading up from the 2nd round as opposed to swapping a pick from one year to the next. And I also think that the fact that the Browns traded up specifically to get Quinn whereas the Skins wanted to target a QB at 25 (and made the trade 3 weeks prior to the draft) definately seperates the value even further.

Still, I'm shocked that Campbell's deal wasn't leaps and bounds better than Rodgers'.

The Skins didn't just swap a pick from one year to the next, we gave up that years 3rd and the following years 1st and 4th.