Report: Redskins Release Casey Bramlet

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well if you are correct then it sounds like some guys are making the team because of some bullshit politics. Very unfortunate.

Welcome to the NFL. All coaches have "their guys".

Bullshit or not that's life in the NFL and certainly nothing exclusive to the Redskins.

Bramlet was a longshot anyway. Playing in NFLE put him behind here and with 5 QBs on the roster someone was bound to get pinched.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Welcome to the NFL. All coaches have "their guys".

Bullshit or not that's life in the NFL and certainly nothing exclusive to the Redskins.

Bramlet was a longshot anyway. Playing in NFLE put him behind here and with 5 QBs on the roster someone was bound to get pinched.

I'll tell you one place where you probably don't have this crap going on. New England.

I don't know if Bramlett can play or not. But from what I have see so far in pre season, he has out played Palmer.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'll tell you one place where you probably don't have this crap going on. New England.

I don't know if Bramlett can play or not. But from what I have see so far in pre season, he has out played Palmer.

LOL what crap?? Cutting a 5th string QB??

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL what crap?? Cutting a 5th string QB??

I know it sounds stupid but I have been out to a couple practices. I'm telling you Brunell's arm is so done. He can't even throw a 15 yard out. I don't care how much experience you have, if you can not put any zip on the ball you need to be cut. And Palmer looked real lost. Bramlett looked like he belongs. He doesn't throw it like JC but he wasn't missing guys either. He's looked pretty accurate.

I'm by no means qualified as any of the coaches but I'm really starting to wonder what they are looking at. I know Brunell has experience and I know Collins knows the offense but Bramlett looked better than both of them. So it comes down to the BS politics. Gibbs likes his guy and Sanders likes his guy and so on.

If I were the owner, I would demand that the coaches have more competition at all the positions. RB, back-up QB, D-line, cornerback, safety opposite Taylor and WR. It seems everyone has their positions nailed down and this team is 5-11?? That makes no sense to me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I know it sounds stupid but I have been out to a couple practices. I'm telling you Brunell's arm is so done. He can't even throw a 15 yard out. I don't care how much experience you have, if you can not put any zip on the ball you need to be cut. And Palmer looked real lost. Bramlett looked like he belongs. He doesn't throw it like JC but he wasn't missing guys either. He's looked pretty accurate.

I'm by no means qualified as any of the coaches but I'm really starting to wonder what they are looking at. I know Brunell has experience and I know Collins knows the offense but Bramlett looked better than both of them. So it comes down to the BS politics. Gibbs likes his guy and Sanders likes his guy and so on.

If I were the owner, I would demand that the coaches have more competition at all the positions. RB, back-up QB, D-line, cornerback, safety opposite Taylor and WR. It seems everyone has their positions nailed down and this team is 5-11?? That makes no sense to me.

yeah it does sound stupid.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If I were the owner, I would demand that the coaches have more competition at all the positions. RB, back-up QB, D-line, cornerback, safety opposite Taylor and WR. It seems everyone has their positions nailed down and this team is 5-11?? That makes no sense to me.

Except then people would say "The Redskins suck because they have no consistency, they never give their players a chance to gel as a team. There's no chemistry, they're always looking for the quick fix..."

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Except then people would say "The Redskins suck because they have no consistency, they never give their players a chance to gel as a team. There's no chemistry, they're always looking for the quick fix..."

At certain positions we need consistency. Like QB. We know JC is the guy. Our o-line is coming off a solid season so we know they can play. RB we are set. But at D-line, back-up qb, linebacker, kicker, wr and secondary guys should not be handed jobs. That's just how I see it. Competition makes everyone better. If that's stupid then so be it. We were 5-11. Not 11-5. Jeez.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

At certain positions we need consistency. Like QB. We know JC is the guy. Our o-line is coming off a solid season so we know they can play. RB we are set. But at D-line, back-up qb, linebacker, kicker, wr and secondary guys should not be handed jobs. That's just how I see it. Competition makes everyone better. If that's stupid then so be it. We were 5-11. Not 11-5. Jeez.

I don't think anyone is being handed jobs at several of those positions.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

At certain positions we need consistency. Like QB. We know JC is the guy. Our o-line is coming off a solid season so we know they can play. RB we are set. But at D-line, back-up qb, linebacker, kicker, wr and secondary guys should not be handed jobs. That's just how I see it. Competition makes everyone better. If that's stupid then so be it. We were 5-11. Not 11-5. Jeez.

And you're thinking that Bramlet is the guy to turn this around...even though he has 0 NFL experience?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I know it sounds stupid but I have been out to a couple practices. I'm telling you Brunell's arm is so done. He can't even throw a 15 yard out. I don't care how much experience you have, if you can not put any zip on the ball you need to be cut. And Palmer looked real lost. Bramlett looked like he belongs. He doesn't throw it like JC but he wasn't missing guys either. He's looked pretty accurate.

I'm by no means qualified as any of the coaches but I'm really starting to wonder what they are looking at. I know Brunell has experience and I know Collins knows the offense but Bramlett looked better than both of them. So it comes down to the BS politics. Gibbs likes his guy and Sanders likes his guy and so on.

If I were the owner, I would demand that the coaches have more competition at all the positions. RB, back-up QB, D-line, corner-back, safety opposite Taylor and WR. It seems everyone has their positions nailed down and this team is 5-11?? That makes no sense to me.

I saw Bramlett play and I have to say I wasn't overly impressed, but you do make some very valid points, I do think Gibbs, and Saunders are married to there guy's, whether or not Bramlett can cut it who really knows at this point, I will take your word that he looked good in practice comparatively, but we all know neither Brunell or Collins can cut it, so why bother keeping them around? What purpose are they going to serve, make coaches out of them if they are so smart, it's not like anyone else is going consider playing them. If Bramlett is not the answer we should have more than just Palmer as the future backup plan at QB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

I saw Bramlett play and I have to say I wasn't overly impressed, but you do make some very valid points, I do think Gibbs, and Saunders are married to there guy's, whether or not Bramlett can cut it who really knows at this point, I will take your word that he looked good in practice comparatively, but we all know neither Brunell or Collins can cut it, so why bother keeping them around? What purpose are they going to serve, make coaches out of them if they are so smart, it's not like anyone else is going consider playing them. If Bramlett is not the answer we should have more than just Palmer as the future backup plan at QB.

Maybe you are wrong in your assessment of the two old guys?

Not that I believe a youth movement is a bad thing, but holy crap if we keep Brunell as the backup and Jordan Palmer as the third stringer and let Collins go like most of us thought would happen on draft day (before Casey Bramlet did something totally meaningless and we anointed him), would anyone be unhappy?

After Campbell and Brunell, we really don't have anything, so I would personally let Palmer take the third spot, but I wouldn't really care if we put him on the practice squad and Collins got it one more year.

Remember when I asked you to name a backup worth having, and you threw Charlie Frye's name out there? I'm beginning to think that you would be OK with anybody at QB as long as he's young. Imagine if we actually did make that move (Frye for Brunell and a pick). I mean, yeah the difference between him and Brunell could cost us a win or two this year (assuming MB is forced into action), but then you'd be all over the FO! "Why did we sign Fletcher! Smoot Sucks! We shouldn't have drafted Rogers! Should have kept Dockery!" Unwilling to admit that their actually could be a QB out there worse than Brunell. Charlie Frye, IMO, is the very definition of worse than Brunell.

Am I wrong here?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Maybe you are wrong in your assessment of the two old guys?

Not that I believe a youth movement is a bad thing, but holy crap if we keep Brunell as the backup and Jordan Palmer as the third stringer and let Collins go like most of us thought would happen on draft day (before Casey Bramlet did something totally meaningless and we anointed him), would anyone be unhappy?

After Campbell and Brunell, we really don't have anything, so I would personally let Palmer take the third spot, but I wouldn't really care if we put him on the practice squad and Collins got it one more year.

Remember when I asked you to name a backup worth having, and you threw Charlie Frye's name out there? I'm beginning to think that you would be OK with anybody at QB as long as he's young. Imagine if we actually did make that move (Frye for Brunell and a pick). I mean, yeah the difference between him and Brunell could cost us a win or two this year (assuming MB is forced into action), but then you'd be all over the FO! "Why did we sign Fletcher! Smoot Sucks! We shouldn't have drafted Rogers! Should have kept Dockery!" Unwilling to admit that their actually could be a QB out there worse than Brunell. Charlie Frye, IMO, is the very definition of worse than Brunell.

Am I wrong here?

Your terribly wrong here, the fact that you want to possibly hitch the season to Brunell is flat out ridiculous, he's proven that he is inept at QB, the man is done, finished, washed up, and he was before we traded for him.

You are kind of comical though as you make excuse after excuse for Quinn and his fall off last year and lack of talent around him from the previous season, yet you are to tell me Frye had an actual legitimate team around him? Come on their horrible in all aspects in Cleveland starting from the coaches on down, you are going to make the point that Frye wouldn't be better served under Gibbs, and Saunders?

I will say it again, Brunell in 2 of the 3 seasons he has played for us has been as bad as a QB can possibly be, and that is what this team is being set up for if Campbell goes down.

I am tired of hearing about experience at backup, so long as Gibbs continues with Brunell this way we will never have it, I am sure Dan fouts has more knowledge than anyone we have on the staff with this offense perhaps we should pull him out of the booth and suit him up as a backup? No you say? Why? Because he is finished, he can no longer play, that's why! Just like Brunell, The job of a backup is to WIN games when called upon, Brunell has proven he can't. Who cares if he knows the offense it still translates into loses, allow a young guy to get the experience who knows he just might win some games in the process, it's not like it's never happened before. If Campbell goes down the season is done we are not going to win in the playoffs under Brunell and we will not be in the playoffs if Brunell plays the majority of the season. IMO Gibbs is still waiting on the miracle situation to justify Brunell and it's going to take something close to a miracle for that to ever happen!

We may not have a legitimate backup in any of these younger guy's we brought in this season the real question should be why haven't we seriously addressed that issue in some way, Palmer is a possible start in that direction but we should be much further along than we are, Bramlett who knows? I didn't see anything in europe to make me believe he's legit, but keeping Brunell around? We might as well put a uni on Sling'in Sammy to back up.