Breaking News: Barry Bonds Hits 756

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It tells me baseball should have done a better job testing and holding players accountable prior to the last four years or so. But baseball needed the Sosas, Bonds, and McGwires of the world.

See, I disagree with that. While McGwire and Sosa brought baseball back, it was recovering without those guys, they just brought it back quicker. Kind of ironic that they seemed to "pump steroids" into baseball to get it back, and they likely took steroids.
But I absolutely agree with you about baseball...they should have tested a long time ago. They turned a blind eye to it, and i feel they even encouraged it.

It's really too bad that there are several people that don't realize how great a player Bonds is without the record. This isn't some fluke Brady Anderson-esque player.

But we really don't know when he started taking it. Is his entire career tainted? Look at the numbers I posted above. Had it not been for him becoming the hulk and making it so glaringly obvious that he took performance enhancing drugs, he would go down in history as one of the best. But he ruined his own legacy.

I'd rather it have been Ken Griffey Jr. personally that broke the record. But it's not, and life goes on.

Me too, but at this point, how do we know he didn't take steroids too?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I'd rather it have been Ken Griffey Jr. personally that broke the record. But it's not, and life goes on.

Me too, but at this point, how do we know he didn't take steroids too?

I think the reason Griffey gets a pass from most people on the steroid issue is because he's been injured so often that his numbers aren't really inflated, but if you look at his career, he shows the basic signs of steroid use. He's far more beefy than when he entered the league and his body began to break down when he started putting on extra body mass.

I'm not saying Jr. is dirty, but it's just funny to me that he's not under the same scrutiny that everyone else is in the steroid era.

[SmootSmack]

Slightly related, seeing as to how Michael Jordan beefed up over the years do you guys think he was juicing?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Slightly related, seeing as to how Michael Jordan beefed up over the years do you guys think he was juicing?

LOL...that's an absurd arguement even for you SS.

Name me 1 person that pointed their finger at Jordan to taking roids.

ps- Jordan didn't grow to a cartoon like figure at any time, and he did "bulk up" but it was over time, a long time, and still looked similar from his rookie year to his retirement year.
All I can say is WOW SS. Usually you provide valid arguments...but wow.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

LOL...that's an absurd arguement even for you SS.

Name me 1 person that pointed their finger at Jordan to taking roids.

ps- Jordan didn't grow to a cartoon like figure at any time, and he did "bulk up" but it was over time, a long time, and still looked similar from his rookie year to his retirement year.
All I can say is WOW SS. Usually you provide valid arguments...but wow.

Well, he clearly looks a lot bigger in his final year versus his rookie year. And I actually have heard people say "Why doesn't anyone ever ask the question of steroids with MJ?"

And finally, it was just a question for discussion. I never said "Hey guys, I think Michael Jordan used steroids. What do you think?" Just that I know it's been speculated.

[SmootSmack]

For the record, I think he bulked up because his training regiment was more "weights-intensive" in his later years, similar to Griffey's. Prior to that he was more about aerobics and cardiovascular.

That is what I've heard at least.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

For the record, I think he bulked up because his training regiment was more "weights-intensive" in his later years, similar to Griffey's. Prior to that he was more about aerobics and cardiovascular.

That is what I've heard at least.

Are you talking about Jordan or Bonds?

[skinsfanthru&thru]

isn't HGH still untraceable from the tests the MLB uses to test for performance enhancing drugs?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

isn't HGH still untraceable from the tests the MLB uses to test for performance enhancing drugs?

I thought that was no longer the case, but I don't profess to know the science behind performance enhancing drugs-legal or illegal.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I thought that was no longer the case, but I don't profess to know the science behind performance enhancing drugs-legal or illegal.

I'm pretty sure they still don't have a test for it urine wise and the blood tests used by professional sports leagues are still rather outdated and are unable to detect them. the only catch from my small amount of looking into the subject is that HGH produces more harmful side effects, quicker. Like u, I don't know but so much about the subject, except what I've heard professionals talk about the subject in magazines, online, and tv the past few years.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I think the reason Griffey gets a pass from most people on the steroid issue is because he's been injured so often that his numbers aren't really inflated, but if you look at his career, he shows the basic signs of steroid use. He's far more beefy than when he entered the league and his body began to break down when he started putting on extra body mass.

I'm not saying Jr. is dirty, but it's just funny to me that he's not under the same scrutiny that everyone else is in the steroid era.

I agree.
He's not under the scrutiny because he's not going after a hallowed record. Also, no one has point their finger at Griffey like they have at Bonds. Maybe it's cause of Griffey playing in obscurity in Seattle for years, maybe it's cause he's always injured...who knows, but he has not been implicated in any book, or a jokester singing like a canary. Due to that, people feel he's clean. And he may just be. If he took roids, he either did it very quietly and covered all his tracks, or he didn't take them.

What I find interesting is that people are asking why Bonds is being pinpointed. Fact is, Palmiero had his entire career dismissed after his positive test after he testified that he never took steriods period. So why is it OK to push him out of MLB and banish him as a horrible person, but Bonds is exhaulted?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I think the reason Griffey gets a pass from most people on the steroid issue is because he's been injured so often that his numbers aren't really inflated, but if you look at his career, he shows the basic signs of steroid use. He's far more beefy than when he entered the league and his body began to break down when he started putting on extra body mass.

I'm not saying Jr. is dirty, but it's just funny to me that he's not under the same scrutiny that everyone else is in the steroid era.

I think that's an interesting point, but I think Griffey has more gotten fat than anything else. I haven't seen him in Under Armour or with his shirt off, but he looks like he's just point on weight because he's at that age where it's harder and harder to stay in shape. I know there are a lot of guys who put on weight once they get north of 30, I would think with a pro athlete it hits you a little bit later.

However, the point you make is very interesting:


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Kind of interesting...I don't think he was on the juice, but he's definitely bigger.