Could Thrash Become #2 WR

[dmek25]

70's old school. i love sly and the family

[JWsleep]

From the Wash. Times, on the subject of LLoyd. I am inclined to agree. But I would like to see one of the young guys emerge as the #2/3. Still, you can't knock Thrash for his effort and consistency--at least he's there if we need him to step up.


Send this guy packing [David Elfin]

The Redskins should send a message now: cut Brandon Lloyd.


The malcontent receiver has been as big a bust as now-departed safety Adam Archuleta was and on top of that, he threw his helmet during a game last year. Lloyd admitted that this offseason was the first one during which he ever really worked out, and the result has been that he has missed half of training camp with shin splints.


The Redskins have plenty of cap room. Even if they give tight end Chris Cooley a big contract, they have the cap room. Lloyd might be a gifted athlete, but he's not a standup guy in the locker room. Corey Bradford, Jason McAddley, Mike Espy or any of the other backup receivers can score zero touchdowns as well as Lloyd and for a heck of a lot less money and aggravation.


Cut Brandon Lloyd now.



The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

From the Wash. Times, on the subject of LLoyd. I am inclined to agree. But I would like to see one of the young guys emerge as the #2/3. Still, you can't knock Thrash for his effort and consistency--at least he's there if we need him to step up.


Send this guy packing [David Elfin]

The Redskins should send a message now: cut Brandon Lloyd.


The malcontent receiver has been as big a bust as now-departed safety Adam Archuleta was and on top of that, he threw his helmet during a game last year. Lloyd admitted that this offseason was the first one during which he ever really worked out, and the result has been that he has missed half of training camp with shin splints.


The Redskins have plenty of cap room. Even if they give tight end Chris Cooley a big contract, they have the cap room. Lloyd might be a gifted athlete, but he's not a standup guy in the locker room. Corey Bradford, Jason McAddley, Mike Espy or any of the other backup receivers can score zero touchdowns as well as Lloyd and for a heck of a lot less money and aggravation.


Cut Brandon Lloyd now.



The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

But he has also come out and apologized for that, and his head should be on straight now. I also saw reports that he worked out all offseason, and that might be why he has shin splints right now. We'd be dumb to drop him now with no back up plan in order. If this was going to be done, we should have prepared for it.

[DEVIL'S OWN]

not happening, "Im clicking with my wife, but doesn't mean I'm breaking up with my girlfriend"!

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by DEVIL'S OWN

not happening, "Im clicking with my wife, but doesn't mean I'm breaking up with my girlfriend"!

great line, but dont know if it fits here

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

wish they would cut lloyd

[mike340]

So let's see if I understand jsarno's point.

Because Thrash hasn't ever had a really big year he is slow. This flies directly against the stats I provided earlier and which noone has refuted. Someone even noted how he "flew" past the other Redskins on a play last year.

I think he hasn't had such big production any year because he has "Art Monk syndrome." Most receivers strike me as the type who are always in the QB and coach's face saying "throw me the ball, throw me the ball." Thrash seems like one of the few who doesn't bother them, and therefore he has fewer balls thrown to him.

As far as the importance of the #2 receiver, if the #2 is a speed demon who can catch the ball it really stretches out the field, allowing a lot more space for ALL receivers on the field.

Thrash strikes me as having a lot of the traits of Art Monk (albeit at a lower skill level):
Almost no boneheaded plays.
Knows where the sticks are.
Few drops.
Comes back to the QB (to help him bail out) when he sees a lot of pressure. (I think he's the only receiver on the current team who does this.)

In my view, he could make an excellent #2, especially if he gets enough passes his way to make him a credible threat. Of course, if he has lost his speed that's another thing entirely.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by mike340

So let's see if I understand jsarno's point.

Because Thrash hasn't ever had a really big year he is slow. This flies directly against the stats I provided earlier and which noone has refuted. Someone even noted how he "flew" past the other Redskins on a play last year.

I think he hasn't had such big production any year because he has "Art Monk syndrome." Most receivers strike me as the type who are always in the QB and coach's face saying "throw me the ball, throw me the ball." Thrash seems like one of the few who doesn't bother them, and therefore he has fewer balls thrown to him.

As far as the importance of the #2 receiver, if the #2 is a speed demon who can catch the ball it really stretches out the field, allowing a lot more space for ALL receivers on the field.

Thrash strikes me as having a lot of the traits of Art Monk (albeit at a lower skill level):
Almost no boneheaded plays.
Knows where the sticks are.
Few drops.
Comes back to the QB (to help him bail out) when he sees a lot of pressure. (I think he's the only receiver on the current team who does this.)

In my view, he could make an excellent #2, especially if he gets enough passes his way to make him a credible threat. Of course, if he has lost his speed that's another thing entirely.

I think we all just saw you as a little overzealous with those numbers.
Here is an article off ESPN:
Yuck. This receiving corps was disappointing last year and didn't get any better for '07. Randle El never has caught more than 47 passes in a season, and that total came in 2002, his rookie year, so it's hard to know what Gibbs and owner Dan Snyder were thinking giving him big guaranteed money last season. He's an adequate slot guy but shouldn't be owned in any but the deepest leagues. Brandon Lloyd has a big mouth and crummy hands that got him benched by the end of '06, and other than an eight-game stretch for the '05 49ers, he's barely been an adequate pro. Stay away from him and from James Thrash, whose speed is gone and who is nothing but a fourth receiver.
You can find the entire report here:
ESPN - Harris: Washington fantasy team preview - Fantasy Football

So as you can see, the professionals seem to think he's got nothing left in the tank, and from what I saw last year, I am certain that is true.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I think we all just saw you as a little overzealous with those numbers.
Here is an article off ESPN:
Yuck. This receiving corps was disappointing last year and didn't get any better for '07. Randle El never has caught more than 47 passes in a season, and that total came in 2002, his rookie year, so it's hard to know what Gibbs and owner Dan Snyder were thinking giving him big guaranteed money last season. He's an adequate slot guy but shouldn't be owned in any but the deepest leagues. Brandon Lloyd has a big mouth and crummy hands that got him benched by the end of '06, and other than an eight-game stretch for the '05 49ers, he's barely been an adequate pro. Stay away from him and from James Thrash, whose speed is gone and who is nothing but a fourth receiver.
You can find the entire report here:
ESPN - Harris: Washington fantasy team preview - Fantasy Football

So as you can see, the professionals seem to think he's got nothing left in the tank, and from what I saw last year, I am certain that is true.

How come writer are pro's when we agree with what they are saying but are skum and suck when one does not agree with what they say?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

How come writer are pro's when we agree with what they are saying but are skum and suck when one does not agree with what they say?

It's called homerism 101

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by firstdown

How come writer are pro's when we agree with what they are saying but are skum and suck when one does not agree with what they say?

Well, a "professional" gets paid for their expertise. These guys are getting paid to tell us about their opinions of the players / teams. If they are wrong all the time, they will be out of work.

Like Matty said, it's homerism 101 as to why we get all pissed when they something negative about our guys, but fact is, 9 times out of 10, they are right. Maybe 8 out of 10.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Like Matty said, it's homerism 101 as to why we get all pissed when they something negative about our guys, but fact is, 9 times out of 10, they are right. Maybe 8 out of 10.

I can't agree. Look, for example, at their pre-season predictions of how most teams will fare. They are consistently wrong. I'm usually as good as "the experts" at picking who will win X game, as are the vast majority of laypeople.

[Cowell]

Yeah, but then he was on the Eagles for a couple of years.

[Native Skin]

Didn't we first have Thrash when Norv was with the skins? Dang that guy is old...no way.

[skinsfan69]

Plain and simple, whoever performs best in preseason should be the #2. The job should be wide open for competition. If it's Thrash or Espy then so be it. We simply do not have anybody on our WR corps that have shown anything to merit being a number #2. To me, potential doesn't mean a damn thing. I want to see production.