Could Thrash Become #2 WR

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Because I really feel we need a better than average passing attack this year to be a good team.

About him being worse than Lloyd or ARE, both of those guys are more gifted and talented. Sure Thrash will work hard, but he doesn't have the speed or athleticism to be what we need out of a #2 WR.
I honestly feel Thrash is a nothing player on our team. We can easily replace him and his production. I like the guy, he has heart, so I have no problem keeping him, but we need special production out of the #2 spot, and Thrash can't and won't fill that bill for us.

Jason Campbell=significant. Moss=significant. Cooley=significant. Assuming health of three above guys, only an offensive line disaster regression could possibly stop us from having an above average passing attack. Who the second receiver is=relatively insignificant. There's no one we could play in that position that would give us a bad passing attack. Which is why I felt your initial Thrash comment was way, way, off. It's all cool though, I'm glad you throughly explained your thinking. Not many people do that anymore.

At least based on history, Thrash is the second best player on our roster at the WR position. Lloyd and Randle El should take baby steps foward by virtue of experience, but if either of them was going to be great, it would have happened by last year.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Jason Campbell=significant. Moss=significant. Cooley=significant. Assuming health of three above guys, only an offensive line disaster regression could possibly stop us from having an above average passing attack. Who the second receiver is=relatively insignificant. There's no one we could play in that position that would give us a bad passing attack. Which is why I felt your initial Thrash comment was way, way, off. It's all cool though, I'm glad you throughly explained your thinking. Not many people do that anymore.

At least based on history, Thrash is the second best player on our roster at the WR position. Lloyd and Randle El should take baby steps foward by virtue of experience, but if either of them was going to be great, it would have happened by last year.

I disagree that the 2nd WR is insignificant, and here is why. Without that #2 to take pressure off the #1, the offense needs to rely on the running game much more, and it's much harder to win games. Yes, it can be done, but you rely too heavily on other areas. We need an efficient offense. That requires a good #2 WR, and I just don't think Thrash is the guy.
I really feel Lloyd will have a breakout season. The guy has a ton of talent, but you're right, he's an ass. So it's hard to get on board with him. I just really see a 50+ rec and 800+ yard performance out of Lloyd is Campbell is worth his salt.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I disagree that the 2nd WR is insignificant, and here is why. Without that #2 to take pressure off the #1, the offense needs to rely on the running game much more, and it's much harder to win games. Yes, it can be done, but you rely too heavily on other areas. We need an efficient offense. That requires a good #2 WR, and I just don't think Thrash is the guy.
I really feel Lloyd will have a breakout season. The guy has a ton of talent, but you're right, he's an ass. So it's hard to get on board with him. I just really see a 50+ rec and 800+ yard performance out of Lloyd is Campbell is worth his salt.

Isn't Cooley that number two target aleady?

Also, I believe that a very good WR (which Moss qualifies as) can take pressure off himself. Theres only a few ways to play a receiver, and if a receiver can beat a DB in multiple ways, theres nothing a defense can do schematically to stop him.

Think about it, as long as the defense is in zone (as most NFL teams usually are), there's always going to be holes in every zone. Moss is good enough to exploit these holes.

If the defense is in man, and they choose to put a second guy on Moss, then they may be able to take him away. BUT, theres a reason that no teams consistently do this. It's because on all plays not designed to go to Santana Moss, the defense is basically playing with ten guys.

See, it doesn't really matter who is playing across from him. Theres only a limited amount of coverages a defense can play, and theres nothing a team can do to take advantage of a team not having a good second wideout (outside of using an inferior cover man against the second wideout, but this would happen anyway).