For those that want Ramsey traded or Hasselbeck to start:

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The only thing we owe Ramsey is a chance to show he can succeed. If 16 starts over his first two seasons is a real shot in somebody's book then fine, but it's not in mine.

Rod Gardner has had the chance to prove himself. He's started 3 full seasons, so no I won't feel bad if he's shipped out. He's had his chance, Ramsey hasn't, big difference.

As usual, Matty, you make a reasonable point in an intelligent way. I have been referred to as a hypocrite, an idiot, a non-fan, a baby, and several other uncomplinentary symbols, simply because I presented a point of view that others disagree with. All that does is tend to polarize a person in their views. You have disagreed, but have not stooped to that. And your rationales are having at least some effect. I am now hoping Patrick will at least get another shot this season to see if he can shake his bad habits. Even though I don't think it will happen, I am not against him getting a real opportunity, and, of course, I will pull for him to succeed. But if he gets 3-4 more games and still has the same basic flaws, I hope no one will feel we have to put the season in the toilet for more experimentation with him. Even if we LOSE 4 games with him at QB, if he STARTS TO CORRECT his obvious fundamental errors, I would be all for keeping him in there. But we NEED to see some sign that he is able to learn and able to correct his ongoing problems. He has had more opportunities than most guys get that have flaws as serious as his, and make no progress with them.