Just plain ugly

[love them hogs]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But what about this?

"All players of offensive team must be stationary at snap, except one back who may be in motion parallel to scrimmage line or backward (not forward)."

The ball had not been snapped when the refs threw the flag.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by love them hogs

The ball had not been snapped when the refs threw the flag.

So you're saying that people can move all over the place until the center actually snaps the ball? I think, actually, maybe you're right.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by love them hogs

The ball had not been snapped when the refs threw the flag.

Basically, that rule is saying only 1 person can move before the snap. You're focusing on the word snap, but it's telling you the exception to the rule, which is that only 1 person can be in motion. Just like I said before.

[love them hogs]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Basically, that rule is saying only 1 person can move before the snap. You're focusing on the word snap, but it's telling you the exception to the rule, which is that only 1 person can be in motion. Just like I said before.

what rule exactly says that?I didnt see that anywhere.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by love them hogs

what rule exactly says that?I didnt see that anywhere.

here it is again:
NFL Rules Digest: Position of Players at Snap

#7- All players of offensive team must be stationary at snap, except one back who may be in motion parallel to scrimmage line or backward (not forward).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Basically, that rule is saying only 1 person can move before the snap. You're focusing on the word snap, but it's telling you the exception to the rule, which is that only 1 person can be in motion. Just like I said before.

Ironically, the Cowboys just got penalized for "two men moving at the same time"

So maybe it's that multiple players can move before the snap, but they can't have more than one moving at the same time?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ironically, the Cowboys just got penalized for "two men moving at the same time"

So maybe it's that multiple players can move before the snap, but they can't have more than one moving at the same time?

I was just going to post that. You can't have more than one moving at the same time after they set.

[love them hogs]

That means only one person can be moving at the snap of the ball.Even rule numer eight suggest that multiple players can move before the snap by saying that all players must come to an absolute stop for one second.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by love them hogs

That means only one person can be moving at the snap of the ball.Even rule numer eight suggest that multiple players can move before the snap by saying that all players must come to an absolute stop for one second.

Have you not watched any football over the years? (not trying to be sarcastic, just curious) It is well known that you can not have 2 people in motion at the same time.

[love them hogs]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Have you not watched any football over the years? (not trying to be sarcastic, just curious) It is well known that you can not have 2 people in motion at the same time.

I thought the same thing as you untill the pre-season game this year and now actually looking at the rules. They say nothing about not being allowed to move more than one player at the same time.Show me where it says that exactly ,that you cant move multiple people before the snap.

[SmootSmack]

Maybe you can find the answer here

http://blogmedia.thenewstribune.com/...20RULEBOOK.pdf

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Have you not watched any football over the years? (not trying to be sarcastic, just curious) It is well known that you can not have 2 people in motion at the same time.

Actually, you can have two players "in motion" prior to the snap. You are not reading the NFL rules closely enough. Although multiple players can move prior to the snap, only one player can be in motion within 1 second of the ball being snapped. Next time you watch Peyton, you will see him make a call at the line and shift two or more players within a few seconds of the snap.

If you care enough, I'll dig up multiple vids of Peyton shifting loads of guys all around before the snap. Right now, I'm too lazy. Or, please re-read the rule you just cited.

[love them hogs]

Rule three , section thirtey

A shift is the action of two or more offensive players who (prior to a snap), After having assumed a set position, simultaneously change the position of thier feet by pivoting to or assuming a new set position with either one foot or both feet.

Its all right there.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by love them hogs

Rule three , section thirtey

A shift is the action of two or more offensive players who (prior to a snap), After having assumed a set position, simultaneously change the position of thier feet by pivoting to or assuming a new set position with either one foot or both feet.

Its all right there.

No it's not...read it again..."change the position of their feet", not move from their set position to another position on the other side of the field. So they are in the same relative area, but went into a 3 point stance, or shifted slightly to the left or something of that nature.
It does not say anything about running to a new position.
And that seems like it would be a false start to me.

[love them hogs]

Originally Posted by jsarno

No it's not...read it again..."change the position of their feet", not move from their set position to another position on the other side of the field. So they are in the same relative area, but went into a 3 point stance, or shifted slightly to the left or something of that nature.
It does not say anything about running to a new position.
And that seems like it would be a false start to me.

Dids you even read this rule completly or can you not understand what it is saying?(not sarcastic, just curious)Lets try again .A SHIFT is when two or more players move PRIOR to the snap AFTER they have set,and assume a new position.Your whole argument is that two players cant move after they have been set and this is clearly wrong. If you put your ego aside and actually read the rules you would see what im saying.If the refs say that yoder and sellars moved to abruptly then i can see that.However to say that two players cant move after they have been set is just plain wrong.

A player is only considered in MOTION if he is moving when the ball is snapped.If he stops moving and resets himself for one second then it is a SHIFT.Those are two different things.Yesterday you said I was focusing on the word snap to much,but it would seem you are not focusing on it enough.The word snap is in that sentence of the rule for a reason.

Anyways, Im sure you are just going to keep on believing what you want and thats fine.Gibbs and I will continue to think otherwise.