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[jsarno]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

yeah tiki could've had a case if he'd hung around for a few more years and racked up some stats, but he shouldnt go. he wasnt elite by any means...

If he hung around a little more, he definitely would make it in. Right now, he's 18th in all time rushing list. He was elite from 02-06 including being #1 in 04 and 05 in yards from scrimmage. He's 10th all time in yards from scrimmage. I think those numbers will get him in (albeit barely).

and the comparison to young is a little skewed... Young was a backup to a HOFer and when he got his shot he consistantly performed.

I don't get your point here...I think you forget that Young started in Tampa for 2 years before going to San Fran...then it took him another 5 years before he took over there. While, of course, it's not identical, the comparison is pretty dead on. The fact is, for someone to say (basically) you need bust out of the gates in order to be a Hall of Famer is about as dumb as they come.

remember, when coughlin got the job he brought in Ron Dayne to have a competition with tiki... not because he wanted to motivate tiki, and not to be the number 2 back, but because they didn't believe tiki could be a featured back. Then, he takes the coach that made him into a pro bowler, retires early (announcing it in mid-season) publicly hanging him out to dry... and writes a book about how he was the reason coughlin had a job and if coughlin wasn't there he'd still be playing. another classy move by a giants player.

Well, that's the personal Tiki, and I doubt it will be used against him as much as it will be used to show that Coughlin ran him out. Coughlin will be the scapegoat there. I do agree with you, it was classless...what do you expect from a person in New York?

If you can make a case for Tiki, you should go ahead and make a case for Lavar... he had 4 good years too.

Sorry, that doesn't float with me. Lavar (and mind you, I loved him) NEVER had 100 or more total tackles in a season. That's like saying a running back never got to 1000 yards. The only time Lavar ever ranked in the top ten in anything is ONE year when he had 11 sacks. (2002 if I recall)
Lavar never had 4 consecutive excellent seasons he had 3 good seasons (01-03). Tiki had 5 consecutive excellent seasons and 2 good seasons.