Great Playcalling, Joe

[dgack]

Originally Posted by dall-assblows

moss is really starting to piss me off with his drops

Single biggest concern on the offense right now is Santana Moss. He is not the same guy he was in '05 and to a lesser degree, parts of last year. If defenses are not scared of him, which they are not right now, we're a running team.

Cooley being invisible is the next biggest problem, IMO. We've upgraded at QB in many ways, but comically now our receivers (other than ARE) are regressing.

[SmootSmack]

Someone give me examples of teams with "killer instincts" with two score leads

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Someone give me examples of teams with "killer instincts" with two score leads

The deep ball to Randy Moss from Tom Brady yesterday

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Someone give me examples of teams with "killer instincts" with two score leads

Watch the Patriots.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Watch the Patriots.

The Patriots are better than we are offensively. By a lot.

If the concept of killer instinct is actually just referring to a team being really good week in and week out for 60 mins on every play...then this team definately lacks that.

Because for that, we would need to upgrade about 6 offensive positions to reach the Pats level of offensive efficiency (which means 6 more high priced free agents). Has nothing to do with the playcalling.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The Patriots are better than we are offensively. By a lot.

If the concept of killer instinct is actually just referring to a team being really good week in and week out for 60 mins on every play...then this team definately lacks that.

Because for that, we would need to upgrade about 6 offensive positions to reach the Pats level of offensive efficiency (which means 6 more high priced free agents). Has nothing to do with the playcalling.

No queston they are better. But they are better coached too. Sorry but it's just something I see in the game planning and play calling.

Forget about them this year. Look at their wr's last year?? Caldwell, Gaffney and Chad (total bust) Jackson. They were still a top offense that almost got to the SB with those WR's.

I brought this up in another thread. How come we never are in the shotgun on 1st down? How come we don't run 3rd down offense on 1st down? That is the best time to make big plays. On first down, not 3rd and long. I could go on and on......

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I brought this up in another thread. How come we never are in the shotgun on 1st down? How come we don't run 3rd down offense on 1st down? That is the best time to make big plays. On first down, not 3rd and long. I could go on and on......

I agree with you here BUT its not a big enough advantage to really matter. I'd like to see more first down passes and more third down runs too, but theres no reason to think that this method would work a lot better than the current one.

I do know it couldn't hurt.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Watch the Patriots.

The only difference yesterday was the Pats attempted a couple of deep passes with a 24-7 lead and completed them building their lead to 38-7, the Redskins attempted a couple of deep passes (Moss, Cooley) and didn't complete them erasing the 14-3 lead and making it 17-17.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The only difference yesterday was the Pats attempted a couple of deep passes with a 24-7 lead and completed them building their lead to 38-7, the Redskins attempted a couple of deep passes (Moss, Cooley) and didn't complete them erasing the 14-3 lead and making it 17-17.

I honestly don't remember deep balls tossed to Moss or Cooley when we were up 14-3. when was this?
I remember a long bomb to santana (caught) and that is pretty much it. perhaps we have differing views on what constitutes a deep pass- or perhaps I was buying a beer...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

I honestly don't remember deep balls tossed to Moss or Cooley when we were up 14-3. when was this?
I remember a long bomb to santana (caught) and that is pretty much it. perhaps we have differing views on what constitutes a deep pass- or perhaps I was buying a beer...

By NFL rules, a "deep pass" is one that travels at least 15 yards in the air. Around the time of Campbell's fumble (that the Skins recovered) there was an incomplete deep pass to Cooley. Score was 14-3 at the time

After Droughns scored from 1 yard out to make it 17-10 Redskins, there was an incomplete deep pass to Moss. I'm not positive but this may have been the one that seemed like pretty blatant pass interference (if not illegal contact). I remember there was one play where I couldn't believe no flag was thrown.

[DiehardSkin88]

Gibbs said in his post game conference that he was the one who was calling the plays towards the end, aka when No TD nosed betts was in the game for our last drive instead of portis. What the hell is that, hasn't betts only had like 6 tds wit us for his whole career? I'm sorry but thats just not gonna cut it. We pay 70 mil for a back to get us points and he's not in when we need it the most.... Gibbs really fucked this one up and he knows it

[MTK]

Trouble is we couldn't sustain anything long enough in order to take some deep shots.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Trouble is we couldn't sustain anything long enough in order to take some deep shots.

Actually I was bothered by some of the deeper throws Campbell was taking. He did take some shots, but I don't know why everything had to be like 40+ yards. I wanted more shots over the middle for like 15 yards. Those throws were working a whole lot yesterday. The Giants D was stepping up and shutting down the run. The Skins shouldn't have abandoned it, but they needed to get away from it. I just don't like the way that game went down the stretch. Playcalling or anything else.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Actually I was bothered by some of the deeper throws Campbell was taking. He did take some shots, but I don't know why everything had to be like 40+ yards. I wanted more shots over the middle for like 15 yards. Those throws were working a whole lot yesterday. The Giants D was stepping up and shutting down the run. The Skins shouldn't have abandoned it, but they needed to get away from it. I just don't like the way that game went down the stretch. Playcalling or anything else.

I gotta disagree with you here -- Jason's arm is one of his many gifts, and I think we both know that if he'd been out there throwing dink-and-dunk (like we've seen for the past how many years??), we'd all be bitching about how we don't ever throw down the field.

We are supposed to have receivers who can stretch the field and catch those kinds of passes. Now, Jason's accuracy hasn't been pinpoint, but I do think that he's thrown some catchable deep balls, that Santana Moss '05 would definitely have caught, for one, and maybe even Brandon Lloyd '05 would have gone up and grabbed.

Think about how many drops we've seen on those deep balls in the past 3 weeks that would have been absolute back-breakers and momentum changers... those things force defensive coordinators to change their schemes. Those things convince Joe it's safe to mix it up instead of relying on the Super Bowl Security Blanket (conservative playcalling).

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by dgack

I gotta disagree with you here -- Jason's arm is one of his many gifts, and I think we both know that if he'd been out there throwing dink-and-dunk (like we've seen for the past how many years??), we'd all be bitching about how we don't ever throw down the field.

We are supposed to have receivers who can stretch the field and catch those kinds of passes. Now, Jason's accuracy hasn't been pinpoint, but I do think that he's thrown some catchable deep balls, that Santana Moss '05 would definitely have caught, for one, and maybe even Brandon Lloyd '05 would have gone up and grabbed.

Think about how many drops we've seen on those deep balls in the past 3 weeks that would have been absolute back-breakers and momentum changers... those things force defensive coordinators to change their schemes. Those things convince Joe it's safe to mix it up instead of relying on the Super Bowl Security Blanket (conservative playcalling).

I don't think I really illustrated my point all that well in the original post. I don't have a problem with them throwing the deep ball, not at all, not even a little. I didn't like, though that it seemed passes were either swing passes or 40 yard bombs yesterday, until the last drive at least. Maybe the Giants D was taking that away earlier in the game, I don't know, I don't watch game tape. However, I would have liked to have seen more 15-20 yard ins and digs. They need to get more guys open coming across the field when the offense isn't hitting than trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

Now, that's not to say that I don't want him going downfield at all, I just think it needs to be mixed in a little bit better, like in the Philly game when it seemed that outs and digs were killing them. Then, late Santana gets free deep. I would rather see the ball spread around the 15-25 yard range more than it was yesterday.