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[GMScud]

Originally Posted by edman

too old, too slow and way too conservative.....thanks to inept coaching, another losing season looms ahead-the Skins won't recover- they got a physical beat down in the second half which will linger througout the season.....watch all the other teams as they will copy the Giants 2nd half game plan and physically kick the Skins ass the rest of the season.....you never sit on a lead in the NFL-what a waste of offensive talent....you had the Giants on the ropes and you come out in the second half and every time you get the ball it's 3 plays and a punt- Bad Coaching lost this game-and don't get me started on Williams/Gibbs letting Antonio Pierce go......Giants will again win both games against the Skins...the G-Men in their stadium against the Skins....why even bother to show up with a Gibbs coached team.......Snyder better Man Up and face the truth...another dissapointing year, more heartbreak and more fans lost.......line up Cowher now and let Gibbs go back to NASCAR & Williams who apparently thinks all defensive players are interchangeable go torture another team and fans.....

WOW! Welcome to the site Edman. I wouldn't go that far. I think anyone here would have been happy if you told them in the preseason we'd be 2-1 heading into the bye with one of those wins coming against Philly on MNF. We have to get healthy and re-evaluate. I wouldn't send Gibbs packing just yet. If we win 2 outta 3 all year we'll be 10-6.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

WOW! Welcome to the site Edman. I wouldn't go that far. I think anyone here would have been happy if you told them in the preseason we'd be 2-1 heading into the bye with one of those wins coming against Philly on MNF. We have to get healthy and re-evaluate. I wouldn't send Gibbs packing just yet. If we win 2 outta 3 all year we'll be 10-6.

I'm not even sure why you'd welcome him to the site quite honestly. Based on his first post, one can deduct that he has nothing worthwhile to offer. Just someone else to add to the site that plans on doing nothing but bitching and moaning just for the hell of it.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by GMScud

WOW! Welcome to the site Edman. I wouldn't go that far. I think anyone here would have been happy if you told them in the preseason we'd be 2-1 heading into the bye with one of those wins coming against Philly on MNF. We have to get healthy and re-evaluate. I wouldn't send Gibbs packing just yet. If we win 2 outta 3 all year we'll be 10-6.

Edman- i agree with your frustration- and perhaps some of your theories on the source, however GM has a point, at 2-1, i don't think we can complain too much... i know i didn't expect it.

[saden1]

All that needs to be said is bad coaching on the offensive side of the ball. Al Saunders should give back his paycheck for the week cause he certainly didn't earn it.

As for Portis vs Betts, well, who is to say who could've done what...neither of them went anywhere when it mattered.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. If Betts scores and we win in OT then, at 3-0, the same people are high-fiving and shouting praise. Some things went well, some didn't.
21-0 in second half is unacceptable. Same game plan won in Philly and they hung 56 on Detroit (should have been more but they took pity). Everything that went well the first 2 weeks (3rd down conversion and 3rd down stops) didn't in the second half. Gotta think with 77 & 76 on the right that ratio would've improved.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.

Thank you! Well put, Sheriff.

Look, we are not the pats. We are not the skins of 91. We are a team trying to get better from a 5 win season with a new QB and a injury hit Oline. We're gonna have days like this! The question is, do we get better from them, or do we loose confidence. Good teams get up from tough losses and get the next win. And I am confident that the staff we have and the team we have will look long and hard at this game film over the next two weeks, and grow and move forward. This is what an 8-8, 9/7 wildcard hopeful looks like. And that's what we are, optimistically speaking.

We blew it. No two ways about it. And there are lots of reasons. I felt part of it was playcalling too, but sometimes you can call the right play, and the players can fail to execute. Which one of you has looked at the tapes, figured out what the play was supposed to do, and THEN concluded that the play calling sucked?

Hindsight is 20/20, y'all. Now calm down.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.

Sheriff.... We only have 16 games and people are pissed because of the way we lost. We probably have more coaches that make more money then any other staff in the history of the NFL. Along with the fact that we have made the playoffs 2 times in the last 14 years. Why aren't we scoring more points? Even against Miami. That game should not have even been close. Miami's defense has gotten killed the last two weeks. The Jets dropped 31 on them with a noddle armed QB Chad Pennington. It's getting old. And when I see that we have a great deep thrower, and I see all these short dink passes ( for the most part) in the 2nd half it pisses me off. I don't care if JC is a young qb. Other young QB's play in more wide open offenses. Look at Romo last night??? Is he that much better than JC??

Something else that no one is talking about is why we didn't we try and get 7 at the end of the half? We had plenty of time to push it down the field but instead we ran the ball and kicked the FG.

If the Giants were the Patriots then it's a different story. You probably wouldn't have all the bitching and moaning cause they are just better. But they were the last ranked defense that got torched by the Packers who have young wr's and a young O-line. That loss is simply on the coaches and it's unacceptable for this coaching staff with all the experience they have.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.

See, the problem with this is that paints people with too broad a brush. I'm not in the "F"/"Fire" anybody group, however, I am upset about the loss and would like to discuss the reasons why I am upset on the site that I frequent. I said that this team looked like the Norv era Skins because they did yesterday. I agree with your general sentiment, but there seem to be a number of groups within the people who are complaining about the loss. At least a few people think this is an example of why Gibbs can't win and the team won't be good. Others, like myself, believe yesterday was a blip on the radar, but it could have easily been prevented. I don't want anyone fired. I think this team is heading in the right direction and they will continue to improve because Campbell will continue to improve.

I would not have been happy if they won in OT yesterday, I would have been happy about 3-0, but I'd be pissed that it got that far. I think there are some people who take these things to the extremes, but to act like we shouldn't still be talking about the game the day after it occurred is a little unrealistic, especially considering they don't play again for 2 weeks.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jdlea

See, the problem with this is that paints people with too broad a brush. I'm not in the "F"/"Fire" anybody group, however, I am upset about the loss and would like to discuss the reasons why I am upset on the site that I frequent. I said that this team looked like the Norv era Skins because they did yesterday. I agree with your general sentiment, but there seem to be a number of groups within the people who are complaining about the loss. At least a few people think this is an example of why Gibbs can't win and the team won't be good. Others, like myself, believe yesterday was a blip on the radar, but it could have easily been prevented. I don't want anyone fired. I think this team is heading in the right direction and they will continue to improve because Campbell will continue to improve.

I would not have been happy if they won in OT yesterday, I would have been happy about 3-0, but I'd be pissed that it got that far. I think there are some people who take these things to the extremes, but to act like we shouldn't still be talking about the game the day after it occurred is a little unrealistic, especially considering they don't play again for 2 weeks.

Fair points. I didn't mean to attack everyone who had something negative to say about some aspect of the game. I also tried, in a subsequent post, to clarify that my post was not directed towards those who make their points calmly and with some serious thought/analysis. My post was solely aimed at those who have nothing meaningful to add to these discussions.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Fair points. I didn't mean to attack everyone who had something negative to say about some aspect of the game. I also tried, in a subsequent post, to clarify that my post was not directed towards those who make their points calmly and with some serious thought/analysis. My post was solely aimed at those who have nothing meaningful to add to these discussions.

I understand that and my thought in the post was to try to get you to clarify that and make clear my stance. I figured your post was not a slap at everyone. I had a similar conversation to this with a friend of mine earlier about how ridiculous these "jump off a building" Skins fans are. It was one loss that shouldn't have happened and as long as it's not a harbinger of things to come then it's not a big deal. However, I think some people see this as an indication of that Skins team that beats all the right teams and loses to all the wrong ones. I have to admit that I'm nervous about that, but still optimistic that this team will not be like that one.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jdlea

See, the problem with this is that paints people with too broad a brush. I'm not in the "F"/"Fire" anybody group, however, I am upset about the loss and would like to discuss the reasons why I am upset on the site that I frequent. I said that this team looked like the Norv era Skins because they did yesterday. I agree with your general sentiment, but there seem to be a number of groups within the people who are complaining about the loss. At least a few people think this is an example of why Gibbs can't win and the team won't be good. Others, like myself, believe yesterday was a blip on the radar, but it could have easily been prevented. I don't want anyone fired. I think this team is heading in the right direction and they will continue to improve because Campbell will continue to improve.

I would not have been happy if they won in OT yesterday, I would have been happy about 3-0, but I'd be pissed that it got that far. I think there are some people who take these things to the extremes, but to act like we shouldn't still be talking about the game the day after it occurred is a little unrealistic, especially considering they don't play again for 2 weeks.

Well, I think (and SGG alluded to this) it's perfectly ok to be upset and be critical. And there's been some good discussion here no doubt, if you filter through the b.s. But rational critiques is all we're asking for.

To blame a fumble on playcalling is not rational, to say F Gibbs is not rational, to claim the Patriots have a killer mentality but then not acknowledge their balanced attack against the chargers or how they didn't throw more deep passes than the Redskins yesterday (just completed more) is not rational, to praise the Cowboys for getting TO involved in the offense with short passes but then rip on the Redskins for doing the same with Moss ("dink and dunk" as people like to call it) is not rational.

To completely disregard our two wins this year (including one on the road against a division opponent) and act like there is no hope left is not at all rational. And quite honestly, I wish those people would just go away. The "I have no faith in this team and I'm going to bitch and moan about it after every loss, but when they win I'll just disappear or I'll jump on the bandwagon" act is tired.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, I think (and SGG alluded to this) it's perfectly ok to be upset and be critical. And there's been some good discussion here no doubt, if you filter through the b.s. But rational critiques is all we're asking for.

To blame a fumble on playcalling is not rational, to say F Gibbs is not rational, to claim the Patriots have a killer mentality but then not acknowledge their balanced attack against the chargers or how they didn't throw more deep passes than the Redskins yesterday (just completed more) is not rational, to praise the Cowboys for getting TO involved in the offense with short passes but then rip on the Redskins for doing the same with Moss ("dink and dunk" as people like to call it) is not rational.

To completely disregard our two wins this year (including one on the road against a division opponent) and act like there is no hope left is not at all rational. And quite honestly, I wish those people would just go away. The "I have no faith in this team and I'm going to bitch and moan about it after every loss, but when they win I'll just disappear or I'll jump on the bandwagon" act is tired.

We should have faith after a 2-0 start. Like I said, I think pretty much anyone on this site would have been just fine knowing before week 1 that we would take a 2-1 record into the bye.

A 2-1 start should not cause anyone to start screaming for anyone to be fired. But I simply have to see more production from this offense. All I heard all week after the Philly game was how much JC was growing up right before our eyes, blah blah blah. Yet we barely threw in the 2nd half (unless it was 3rd and long or the very end of the game) against a team that had been victimized by the pass horribly in the first two weeks. 17 points a week ain't gonna cut it. Is it too much to ask for a team to score 3 TDs in a game every once in a while? We have weapons galore on offense and we're paying Saunders more than a lot of head coaches....

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GMScud

We should have faith after a 2-0 start. Like I said, I think pretty much anyone on this site would have been just fine knowing before week 1 that we would take a 2-1 record into the bye.

A 2-1 start should not cause anyone to start screaming for anyone to be fired. But I simply have to see more production from this offense. All I heard all week after the Philly game was how much JC was growing up right before our eyes, blah blah blah. Yet we barely threw in the 2nd half (unless it was 3rd and long or the very end of the game) against a team that had been victimized by the pass horribly in the first two weeks. 17 points a week ain't gonna cut it. Is it too much to ask for a team to score 3 TDs in a game every once in a while? We have weapons galore on offense and we're paying Saunders more than a lot of head coaches....

I agree 100%. As I stated above, however, I think there is definately cause for optimism. The offense is nowhere near as consistent as we'd like it to be, but it's clear that JC gives us a playmaking ability that we haven't seen at QB in decades. Whether he will become a consistent playmaker is another question, but when JC is in the game I feel like we have a chance to do just about anything and that we are almost always in the game. I haven't seen so many deep balls (whether completed or not) in years and I'm psyched to see what this offense will do once JC gets more experience.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Could someone explain to me why we always act like such little girls (no offense to little girls) and drop f-bombs, curse the coaches, and act like our season is toast whenever we lose a game? Something tells me that those same babies are the same fans who loudly boast to others when we win. Get some perspective, quit crying, and quit labeling anyone else as a blind optimist.

Sorry, people who know me know that I tend to shy away from being so harsh and I too am really disappointed with our 2nd half implosion, but I'm getting really really really really tired of seeing the same "I'm freaking out" posts. The coaches made some mistakes, the players made some mistakes, and things didn't go our way yesterday. Deal.

Seems that those that complain the most after a loss typically have nothing to say after a win. I swear some people just relish a loss so they can play armchair GM/Coach/QB all week.