First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

It's even funnier how you selectively don't pay attention. And even funnier that you would anoint Gibbs after 2 games against teams that are not that good who were in position to tie, or beat us in the final 2 minutes, or in OT, this last game against the Giants is exactly why I didn't, or wont jump on that bandwagon until it actually arrives, I wanted to make sure a different Gibbs was in the house now that we have a real QB, but unfortunately it's the same old story we have been watching since his return, he treats the football like it was made of plutonium, we lost to the worst of the 3 teams we have played blowing a 14 point lead at home in the second half, what a complete an utter joke. But your more than welcome to pick up the old pom poms and perform a few routines for gibbs by all means.

Make no mistake about it, the Giants didn't beat us, Gibbs rolled out the red carpet and handed that victory to them, his charity work never stops.

What is that supposed to mean exactly? Does that mean you're going to piss all over the team until what? They go to a Super Bowl? Then you'll jump right on board and say "I've been a fan for over 30 years, blah blah blah" "I knew it all along because I'm a football man, blah blah blah."

Really, I'd like to know what you (and others who have said similar things) mean.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What is that supposed to mean exactly? Does that mean you're going to piss all over the team until what? They go to a Super Bowl? Then you'll jump right on board and say "I've been a fan for over 30 years, blah blah blah" "I knew it all along because I'm a football man, blah blah blah."

Really, I'd like to know what you (and others who have said similar things) mean.

Really it just comes down to those that are constantly negative about the team, and when things are going well they'll sit quietly and not say a thing, and once something goes wrong BAM, they pounce on everything.

We're 2-1, there are a lot of teams right now that would love to be 2-1. Just ask the Saints how 0-3 feels.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Really it just comes down to those that are constantly negative about the team, and when things are going well they'll sit quietly and not say a thing, and once something goes wrong BAM, they pounce on everything.

We're 2-1, there are a lot of teams right now that would love to be 2-1. Just ask the Saints how 0-3 feels.

I bet a guy (which at the time did not seem too smart) $50.00 that the Saints would not do any better than 8/8. Now that bett is starting to look pretty good.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What is that supposed to mean exactly? Does that mean you're going to piss all over the team until what? They go to a Super Bowl? Then you'll jump right on board and say "I've been a fan for over 30 years, blah blah blah" "I knew it all along because I'm a football man, blah blah blah."

Really, I'd like to know what you (and others who have said similar things) mean.

I have found trying to explain football to cheerleaders is usually fruitless. Just leave them alone and let them cheer, cause they will never get it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

I have found trying to explain football to cheerleaders is usually fruitless. Just leave them alone and let them cheer, cause they will never get it.

That's your response? Somehow I'm not surprised. This is why you are without question one of the least, if not the least, respected member on this board. (For those that have any respect for you)

You make people want to break every rule about valuing other opinions, and no personal attacks.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That's your response? Somehow I'm not surprised. This is why you are without question one of the least, if not the least, respected member on this board. (For those that have any respect for you)

You make people want to break every rule about valuing other opinions, and no personal attacks.

LOL 'explain football', like he's some sort of football professor or something. Please.

Personally I find it hard to explain anything to ignorant, closed-minded, negative fools. Just leave them to sulk in their own misery and let them continue to think they are some sort of expert since all they do is constantly shit on the team.

[70Chip]

The standard sequence when you are that close should be run pass run. Given the clock I would have gone pass run pass but, they nearly scored on first run and decided to take a chance. I don't know why everyone is so focused on the offense. The defense's inability to play pass defense is the only thing that causes me concern at this point. We will always give up big yards when we rush four and play zone. It looked like a repeat of last year in the second half.

Now, I will go back to my bye week. Everyone relax.

[scowan]

Big perspective on first and goal at the one,..... yes we are all sad that they did not get in, but to win the game, they would have not only needed to get in, but make the extra point and then score again in OT.

The OT situation was a fortunate situation against the Dolphins, but the Skins could have very easiy lost in OT to the Giants this past weekend.

A TD last week was not for the win, but for a tie and a CHANCE in OT. Again, only a CHANCE. The Football Gods, (as TMQ would call them), decided that the Skins played too bad in the second half to deserve the win, so they saved us the sadness of losing in OT, and just gave it to us early!

[SouperMeister]

Doc Walker gave a great analysis of the 3rd down play where Betts tried to cut to the inside instead of following Mike Sellers around the left end. Not a very good move instinctlvely when there's no daylight to be found inside. Follow Sellers, and he probably scores. Of course that's all moot if Campbell leads Sellers with the pass on 2nd down. Bottom line, no play will work with poor execution.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That's your response? Somehow I'm not surprised. This is why you are without question one of the least, if not the least, respected member on this board. (For those that have any respect for you)

You make people want to break every rule about valuing other opinions, and no personal attacks.

Hypocrisy at it's highest, you make me just flat out laugh with your weak and childish come backs, the problem you have is my OPINION usually differs with yours, and you have an over blown opinion of your football knowledge, so a different opinion is like getting slapped in the face for an individual like yourself. The fact is you take every opportunity to try and come after me and make it personnel, not that I really care it's like arguing football with a 3 year old, he's going to disagree but you know you can't talk sense to him so you smile and leave him be. I really have more than enough confidence than to have to run around trying to conger up respect from others [although I usually find when someone has to drag others into, or site other people to help fight their battles they are all out of facts and just grasping at straws], lets face it your a GIG guy and any one who says anything about your beloved Gibbs is to be ostrosized, I actually have OPINIONS of my own, I am not dancing at the end of some string like a puppet being dangled by JG.

You make people want to break every rule about valuing other opinions, and no personal attacks.[/

That quote is just precious, I am one of the few members who does not attack people personally for there opinions until they make it personal with me, I may debate with them till we are both blue in the face but I don't make it personal. You on the other hand do nothing but. You continually make personal attacks not on occasion but daily, any one who says something you don't like, or agree with gets a healthy does of basically your an idiot in one form or another from you, lets face it you think your the big dog around here when it comes to the skins, and if I thought for one second you had remotely any real valued football knowledge I would say it regardless of how I would feel personally towards you or any one else for that matter, but your not even close. Your a little dog with a big bark.

It's funny you say to respect opinions constantly, but not when it comes to a criticism of the Skins, why? Because any one who has criticized the Skins under Gibbs has been for the most part right since his return, it is frustrating because I want to win as much as any body, but the fact is we are not on the right track, he is not progressing as a coach, we are seeing the same exact problem now that we saw in 2004, nothing has been fixed other than sitting Brunell, the game has long passed him by and many can't admit it, that doesn't mean I am not going to root for him, it just means I see the same problems cropping up that we have seen in the past and we all know what that leads to. The fact is any one who watched that game on Sunday saw the same garbage we saw on opening day against Tampa in 2004, we all scratched our heads and wondered why gibbs stopped pushing the ball in the second half keeping Tampa in the game? Well here it is 4 seasons later and he's still doing the exact same thing and you can't see it, you keep expecting him to some how come out and be the coach who rolled up the score on team after team in 92' well it ain't happening unless he removes himself from all aspects of the offense! With the talent we have on offense especially in the passing game coupled with the horrid Giants defense the fact that we didn't score 40 plus points is a joke, the Giants don't have a player on their team who can cover any one of our WR's, and their LB's cant come close to covering Cooley, and we did nothing in the second half, if that doesn't scream Gibbs and his coaching ability I don't know what will?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

Hypocrisy at it's highest, you make me just flat out laugh with your weak and childish come backs, the problem you have is my OPINION usually differs with yours, and you have an over blown opinion of your football knowledge, so a different opinion is like getting slapped in the face for an individual like yourself. The fact is you take every opportunity to try and come after me and make it personnel, not that I really care it's like arguing football with a 3 year old, he's going to disagree but you know you can't talk sense to him so you smile and leave him be. I really have more than enough confidence than to have to run around trying to conger up respect from others [although I usually find when someone has to drag others into, or site other people to help fight their battles they are all out of facts and just grasping at straws], lets face it your a GIG guy and any one who says anything about your beloved Gibbs is to be ostrosized, I actually have OPINIONS of my own, I am not dancing at the end of some string like a puppet being dangled by JG.



That quote is just precious, I am one of the few members who does not attack people personally for there opinions until they make it personal with me, I may debate with them till we are both blue in the face but I don't make it personal. You on the other hand do nothing but. You continually make personal attacks not on occasion but daily, any one who says something you don't like, or agree with gets a healthy does of basically your an idiot in one form or another from you, lets face it you think your the big dog around here when it comes to the skins, and if I thought for one second you had remotely any real valued football knowledge I would say it regardless of how I would feel personally towards you or any one else for that matter, but your not even close. Your a little dog with a big bark.

It's funny you say to respect opinions constantly, but not when it comes to a criticism of the Skins, why? Because any one who has criticized the Skins under Gibbs has been for the most part right since his return, it is frustrating because I want to win as much as any body, but the fact is we are not on the right track, he is not progressing as a coach, we are seeing the same exact problem now that we saw in 2004, nothing has been fixed other than sitting Brunell, the game has long passed him by and many can't admit it, that doesn't mean I am not going to root for him, it just means I see the same problems cropping up that we have seen in the past and we all know what that leads to. The fact is any one who watched that game on Sunday saw the same garbage we saw on opening day against Tampa in 2004, we all scratched our heads and wondered why gibbs stopped pushing the ball in the second half keeping Tampa in the game? Well here it is 4 seasons later and he's still doing the exact same thing and you can't see it, you keep expecting him to some how come out and be the coach who rolled up the score on team after team in 92' well it ain't happening unless he removes himself from all aspects of the offense! With the talent we have on offense especially in the passing game coupled with the horrid Giants defense the fact that we didn't score 40 plus points is a joke, the Giants don't have a player on their team who can cover any one of our WR's, and their LB's cant come close to covering Cooley, and we did nothing in the second half, if that doesn't scream Gibbs and his coaching ability I don't know what will?

Ok, you've said your piece. I disagree with just about everything you wrote. But I'm not going to get into it any further. We will have to agree to disagree

Let's just move on

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Hypocrisy at it's highest, you make me just flat out laugh with your weak and childish come backs, the problem you have is my OPINION usually differs with yours, and you have an over blown opinion of your football knowledge, so a different opinion is like getting slapped in the face for an individual like yourself. The fact is you take every opportunity to try and come after me and make it personnel, not that I really care it's like arguing football with a 3 year old, he's going to disagree but you know you can't talk sense to him so you smile and leave him be. I really have more than enough confidence than to have to run around trying to conger up respect from others [although I usually find when someone has to drag others into, or site other people to help fight their battles they are all out of facts and just grasping at straws], lets face it your a GIG guy and any one who says anything about your beloved Gibbs is to be ostrosized, I actually have OPINIONS of my own, I am not dancing at the end of some string like a puppet being dangled by JG.



That quote is just precious, I am one of the few members who does not attack people personally for there opinions until they make it personal with me, I may debate with them till we are both blue in the face but I don't make it personal. You on the other hand do nothing but. You continually make personal attacks not on occasion but daily, any one who says something you don't like, or agree with gets a healthy does of basically your an idiot in one form or another from you, lets face it you think your the big dog around here when it comes to the skins, and if I thought for one second you had remotely any real valued football knowledge I would say it regardless of how I would feel personally towards you or any one else for that matter, but your not even close. Your a little dog with a big bark.

It's funny you say to respect opinions constantly, but not when it comes to a criticism of the Skins, why? Because any one who has criticized the Skins under Gibbs has been for the most part right since his return, it is frustrating because I want to win as much as any body, but the fact is we are not on the right track, he is not progressing as a coach, we are seeing the same exact problem now that we saw in 2004, nothing has been fixed other than sitting Brunell, the game has long passed him by and many can't admit it, that doesn't mean I am not going to root for him, it just means I see the same problems cropping up that we have seen in the past and we all know what that leads to. The fact is any one who watched that game on Sunday saw the same garbage we saw on opening day against Tampa in 2004, we all scratched our heads and wondered why gibbs stopped pushing the ball in the second half keeping Tampa in the game? Well here it is 4 seasons later and he's still doing the exact same thing and you can't see it, you keep expecting him to some how come out and be the coach who rolled up the score on team after team in 92' well it ain't happening unless he removes himself from all aspects of the offense! With the talent we have on offense especially in the passing game coupled with the horrid Giants defense the fact that we didn't score 40 plus points is a joke, the Giants don't have a player on their team who can cover any one of our WR's, and their LB's cant come close to covering Cooley, and we did nothing in the second half, if that doesn't scream Gibbs and his coaching ability I don't know what will?

LOL! Same ol' Offiss. Takes any opportunity he can to crap on the team but won't back them when they're playing well. Only going to be a fan when things are going great.