Is Kurt Warner back?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

LOL...Thank you!

That is what I have been trying to tell you. Leinart played at USC, now let me say it again University of Southern California (not south carolina or south C...) and that is how he won games and championships. What has he done in the NFL to show that he is a good or great QB?

I'm not referring to USC...college is an inferior league to the NFL (obviously). It means nothing to me. Some of the best players in college don't pan out in the NFL. Leinart still looks better throwing the ball than Young.

Also, right now, Leinart has more talent around him than Young. Boldin, Fitzgerlad, E. James...etc. Tell me how many people would know who are the Titan's WRs beside E. Moulds ?

I disagree with that. I think Edgerran James is overrated now, and also, the O line of Tennessee is better. Yes, Leinart has better WR's, however they still need the ball thrown to them. If they were on Tennessee they would be in trouble cause Young over throws and under throws all the time.
ps- you asking the wrong person, I know 99% of players on every team. But I live and breathe football.

There is no such thing as "lucked out", they did whatever they could to stay in the game and win, maybe there is a lucky play in every game, but not such thing lucky plays all through the games.

You obviously didn't watch the jacksonville where they had two chances at easy chip shots but since Scobee was hurt, they had no kicker to kick for them...they had to go for it on the 20 yard line on 4th down. Had Scobee not been hurt, they would have lost to Jacksonville. Of course this is a whole lot of "what if", but it shows me Tennessee is a pretender.

I would bench Leinart in favor of Warner in no time if I had the monster WRs they have in Arizona.

It's only Leinart's 2nd season, he's still pretty green behind the ears and so far he has proven that this year.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I'm not referring to USC...college is an inferior league to the NFL (obviously). It means nothing to me. Some of the best players in college don't pan out in the NFL. Leinart still looks better throwing the ball than Young.

It is all relative, USC is has been the best team in college football for a while now.

I disagree with that. I think Edgerran James is overrated now, and also, the O line of Tennessee is better. Yes, Leinart has better WR's, however they still need the ball thrown to them. If they were on Tennessee they would be in trouble cause Young over throws and under throws all the time.

Ok we both live in the DC area and watched Arizona play Baltimore. How come that same O line looked much better with Warner under center and got more points and had the chance to go to OT?

You obviously didn't watch the jacksonville where they had two chances at easy chip shots but since Scobee was hurt, they had no kicker to kick for them...they had to go for it on the 20 yard line on 4th down. Had Scobee not been hurt, they would have lost to Jacksonville. Of course this is a whole lot of "what if", but it shows me Tennessee is a pretender.

Yeah, but Tennessee had to keep themselves in the game by not letting Jacksonville get into the end zone and score touchdowns. Why did the Jaguars have to kick FGs in the first place if it wasn't for the Titan's D?

It's only Leinart's 2nd season, he's still pretty green behind the ears and so far he has proven that this year.

I agree with you, he needs time. That is why in my last post I said NOW, I would bench him when I have someone like Warner. Later he might turn out to be a great QB, but so far he hasn't shown anything to support that claim.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

It is all relative, USC is has been the best team in college football for a while now.

Don't care about college.

Ok we both live in the DC area and watched Arizona play Baltimore. How come that same O line looked much better with Warner under center and got more points and had the chance to go to OT?

Who is "we both"? I don't live in the DC area.
To answer your question, I didn't watch that whole game, I have the NFL Sunday ticket and jump around when the Skins aren't on. I am unsure as to why they played better for Warner, maybe they realized they were underperforming.

Yeah, but Tennessee had to keep themselves in the game by not letting Jacksonville get into the end zone and score touchdowns. Why did the Jaguars have to kick FGs in the first place if it wasn't for the Titan's D?

This logic doesn't make any sense. If the Cowboys are 4th and 5 on the 17, you're gonna kick a field goal right? Shit, what team wouldn't? The Jags COULDN'T because their kicker got hurt. Had he not got hurt or they had a back up kicker on the roster, the Titans would have lost. It's not like the Jags played well either.

I agree with you, he needs time. That is why in my last post I said NOW, I would bench him when I have someone like Warner. Later he might turn out to be a great QB, but so far he hasn't shown anything to support that claim.

I'm really not that concerned about it, and could care less if he actually makes it. My issue is with how everyone thinks Young is the second coming of Jesus, and in actuality he's the second coming of somewhere between Vick and Kordell Stewart. (not the personal Vick...it does seem like Young is nice young man, while Vick is deplorable)

Although, I do find it interesting that you say that Leinart hasn't shown anything to support the claim that he will be good. His passing numbers beat out Young's.
I also have trouble jumping on anyone's bandwagon when it starts in Arizona. They are perennial losers, and Leinart would be better off with just about any team.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Who is "we both"? I don't live in the DC area.
To answer your question, I didn't watch that whole game, I have the NFL Sunday ticket and jump around when the Skins aren't on. I am unsure as to why they played better for Warner, maybe they realized they were underperforming.

I doubt that is the reason, when Bledsoe was the QB, the O line for Dallas looked horrible, Romo came in and all of a sudden they are not that bad (talking about last year). Same thing could be said abour Burnell and Campbell.

This logic doesn't make any sense. If the Cowboys are 4th and 5 on the 17, you're gonna kick a field goal right? Shit, what team wouldn't? The Jags COULDN'T because their kicker got hurt. Had he not got hurt or they had a back up kicker on the roster, the Titans would have lost. It's not like the Jags played well either.

Your logic doesn't make much sense either. All I am saying is, the Titans had a say in why they won the game. You say they went for it on 4th down. Why did they have to wait till the 4th down to convert. There were 3 other downs for them to get 10 yards, but the Titans stopped them.

I'm really not that concerned about it, and could care less if he actually makes it. My issue is with how everyone thinks Young is the second coming of Jesus, and in actuality he's the second coming of somewhere between Vick and Kordell Stewart.

Neither am I, but I have to say that Young is better than both (as hard as it is for me to say that because I went to VT). No one thinks he is the second coming of Jesus, but he is a good player.

Although, I do find it interesting that you say that Leinart hasn't shown anything to support the claim that he will be good. His passing numbers beat out Young's.
I also have trouble jumping on anyone's bandwagon when it starts in Arizona. They are perennial losers, and Leinart would be better off with just about any team

LOL, so what pretty much anyone's number could beat Young's, that is not saying much. The number that matters the most after it is all said and done is the Ws. I am not jumping on Young's or Leinarts bandwagon, but out of the two, Young is better.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

I doubt that is the reason, when Bledsoe was the QB, the O line for Dallas looked horrible, Romo came in and all of a sudden they are not that bad (talking about last year). Same thing could be said abour Burnell and Campbell.

So why do you think that is?

Your logic doesn't make much sense either. All I am saying is, the Titans had a say in why they won the game. You say they went for it on 4th down. Why did they have to wait till the 4th down to convert. There were 3 other downs for them to get 10 yards, but the Titans stopped them.

So you're saying that every team should be without a kicker, cause if they can't convert and score a TD on every possession they aren't as good as the other team? Teams have a kicker for a reason, and field goals are in the game for a reason. It's a big and valuable piece of the game...if you were a Skins fan, you'd realize that cause our kickers lost us many game in the past 3-10 years. I would think you would know that given that you had kicker troubles a couple years ago.

Neither am I, but I have to say that Young is better than both (as hard as it is for me to say that because I went to VT). No one thinks he is the second coming of Jesus, but he is a good player.

Not yet he's not. He COULD be, but that's an "if" for another discussion. Trust me, the way the media exhaults this kid and the way he could do no wrong in Nashville...people think he's the second coming of Jesus alright. I am pretty sure he has a better head on his shoulders than most rookies though, so that bodes well for him.

LOL, so what pretty much anyone's number could beat Young's, that is not saying much. The number that matters the most after it is all said and done is the Ws. I am not jumping on Young's or Leinarts bandwagon, but out of the two, Young is better.[/QUOTE]

You definitely have a point, it's the W's. So what will you say if the Titans win only 6 or 7 games? (my prediction 8 max, but likely 7.)

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by jsarno

So why do you think that is?

It had to do with Romo and Campbell being more illusive and able to move around and know what to do with the ball instead of being scared and get happy feet and throw incompelitions. Warner made the O line for Arizona look better than the first half because of his knowledge and experience and delivered the ball on time and on target.

So you're saying that every team should be without a kicker, cause if they can't convert and score a TD on every possession they aren't as good as the other team? Teams have a kicker for a reason, and field goals are in the game for a reason.....

NO I am not saying that, but I am saying that the Titan's D kept the team in the game and eventually won it. All you were saying is that they lucked out and won ONLY by being lucky. Young and the offense scored enough points and the defense stopped the opposing team enough to win them the game.

Not yet he's not. He COULD be, but that's an "if" for another discussion. Trust me, the way the media exhaults this kid and the way he could do no wrong in Nashville...people think he's the second coming of Jesus alright....

Yeah the media does portray QB to be more than what they are, but that is the case with all QBs. You think Tom Brady will win as many games if he plays with the Browns. You said it before, it a team effort to win, but the media makes it sound like Manning, Brady, Palmer are the only reason why their team wins. I think it has to do with the QBs touching the ball almost every offensive posession.

You definitely have a point, it's the W's. So what will you say if the Titans win only 6 or 7 games? (my prediction 8 max, but likely 7.)

Well, if that "8 max, but likely 7" W's are more than Leinart's what would you say then?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

NO I am not saying that, but I am saying that the Titan's D kept the team in the game and eventually won it. All you were saying is that they lucked out and won ONLY by being lucky. Young and the offense scored enough points and the defense stopped the opposing team enough to win them the game.

While I don't disagree with you that it's a long game and there are many factors, some are bigger than others, and there is no doubt that if the Jags had a kicker, they would have went for those 2 field goals instead of HAVING to go for it on 4th in the redzone. So it's an extremely safe assumption to say that the Jags would have won had it not been for "luck". They were extremely lucky Scobee had a fluke injury during pre game kicks.

Well, if that "8 max, but likely 7" W's are more than Leinart's what would you say then?

Hold up...I asked a question. You don't answer a question with a question. You answer mine, and I'll answer yours.