I guess Romo's contract extension

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

That's cool, but I'm fairly certain that you'll never see Campbell do everything humanly possible to give a game away.

You are 100% correct, because Gibbs would have pulled Campbell after the 3rd or 4th INT instead of maintaining faith in his QB.

Say what you want, he had the worst possible game a QB could ever have, EXCEPT for the fact that even though he was playing crappy, even though he almost single handedly gave the game away, when the game was on the line he still drove his team downfield for 2 scores in 20 seconds to win.

Say what you want, but nothing diminishes that fact.

There are only a very small handful of QB's in the league that have that type of "moxy".

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Say what you want, he had the worst possible game a QB could ever have, EXCEPT for the fact that even though he was playing crappy, even though he almost single handedly gave the game away, when the game was on the line he still drove his team downfield for 2 scores in 20 seconds to win.

Say what you want, but nothing diminishes that fact.

There are only a very small handful of QB's in the league that have that type of "moxy".

You misunderstand my intention. I'm not one of the people that tries to act like "Romo sucks" simply because he's a Cowboy, but I was fairly certain that he would come back down to Earth at some point this season, and it appears that it happened last night. Of course I don't expect him to have another five pick game, but he's also not the second coming of Brett Favre like the media seems to think.

And as far as scoring twice in 20 seconds; it was actually once in 2+ minutes, and then a 19 yard drive after an onside kick. Do that against New England and I'll be impressed.

[ncskinsfanec]

I can't stand that little punk Romo, words can't describe how overrated and arrogant he is. I hope he flames out again this season like he did last season. My best memory of Romo so far is when he fumbled that snap on the field goal attempt last season against Seattle. That was classic! I hope last night was a sign of things to come! For just next Sunday at least I'll say, GO PATRIOTS!!!!!

[TampaDude]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

I can't stand that little punk Romo, words can't describe how overrated and arrogant he is. I hope he flames out again this season like he did last season. My best memory of Romo so far is when he fumbled that snap on the field goal attempt last season against Seattle. That was classic! I hope last night was a sign of things to come! For just next Sunday at least I'll say, GO PATRIOTS!!!!!

WERD...I can't wait until the Patriots finally drive a big stake into the heart of that vampire that is the Cowboys...DIE, COWBOYS, DIE!!!

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

You misunderstand my intention. I'm not one of the people that tries to act like "Romo sucks" simply because he's a Cowboy, but I was fairly certain that he would come back down to Earth at some point this season, and it appears that it happened last night. Of course I don't expect him to have another five pick game, but he's also not the second coming of Brett Favre like the media seems to think.

And as far as scoring twice in 20 seconds; it was actually once in 2+ minutes, and then a 19 yard drive after an onside kick. Do that against New England and I'll be impressed.

He couldn't carry Favre's jockstrap!

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

You misunderstand my intention. I'm not one of the people that tries to act like "Romo sucks" simply because he's a Cowboy, but I was fairly certain that he would come back down to Earth at some point this season, and it appears that it happened last night. Of course I don't expect him to have another five pick game, but he's also not the second coming of Brett Favre like the media seems to think.

And as far as scoring twice in 20 seconds; it was actually once in 2+ minutes, and then a 19 yard drive after an onside kick. Do that against New England and I'll be impressed.

Timeline:

0:24 seconds - Romo passes to Crayton at the goal line and Crayton slips in for the touchdown. Cowboys call timeout.

0:20 seconds - Romo underthrows Terrell Owens and Jabari Greer rips the ball from Owens hands. (2pt conversion fail)

0:18 seconds - Rookie kicker Nick Folk executes an onside kick 11 yards up the field where Sam Hurd deflects the ball to team mate Tony Curtis for a Cowboys recovery.

0:07 seconds - Romo passes to Barber on a 4 yard sideline pass.

0:02 seconds - On 3rd down Romo connects with Patrick Crayton who runs out of bounds after an 8 yard gain to the Buffalo 35 yard line.

0:01 seconds - Rookie Kicker Nick Folk nails the game winning 53 yarder.

So there you go, check it out on ESPN.COM or NFL.COM

BUt it was 2 scores in 24 seconds.

[RobH4413]

I heard this from a Cowboys fan in the bar the other night and couldn't agree with him more.

He was telling me that the second Romo gets his contract, he's going to start pussing out. Look how he scrambles now, and sacrifices his body. The second he gets the big bucks, he'll shy away from contact, and that will have a significant impact on his game.

Honestly though, who are we really afraid of on Dallas' offense?

Jason Witten, and maybe Marion Barber.

They're over-rated... and I cannot wait until game day with them.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Timeline:

0:24 seconds - Romo passes to Crayton at the goal line and Crayton slips in for the touchdown. Cowboys call timeout.

0:20 seconds - Romo underthrows Terrell Owens and Jabari Greer rips the ball from Owens hands. (2pt conversion fail)

0:18 seconds - Rookie kicker Nick Folk executes an onside kick 11 yards up the field where Sam Hurd deflects the ball to team mate Tony Curtis for a Cowboys recovery.

0:07 seconds - Romo passes to Barber on a 4 yard sideline pass.

0:02 seconds - On 3rd down Romo connects with Patrick Crayton who runs out of bounds after an 8 yard gain to the Buffalo 35 yard line.

0:01 seconds - Rookie Kicker Nick Folk nails the game winning 53 yarder.

So there you go, check it out on ESPN.COM or NFL.COM

BUt it was 2 scores in 24 seconds.

The Cowboys called a timeout after a TD? I thought the clocked stopped after every score?

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The Cowboys called a timeout after a TD? I thought the clocked stopped after every score?

Yeah it does, but I guess they wanted to make sure they get the play right because they thought the 2 point conversion was it. I don't think they were thinking about onside kick at that moment.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Timeline:

0:24 seconds - Romo passes to Crayton at the goal line and Crayton slips in for the touchdown. Cowboys call timeout.

0:20 seconds - Romo underthrows Terrell Owens and Jabari Greer rips the ball from Owens hands. (2pt conversion fail)

0:18 seconds - Rookie kicker Nick Folk executes an onside kick 11 yards up the field where Sam Hurd deflects the ball to team mate Tony Curtis for a Cowboys recovery.

0:07 seconds - Romo passes to Barber on a 4 yard sideline pass.

0:02 seconds - On 3rd down Romo connects with Patrick Crayton who runs out of bounds after an 8 yard gain to the Buffalo 35 yard line.

0:01 seconds - Rookie Kicker Nick Folk nails the game winning 53 yarder.

So there you go, check it out on ESPN.COM or NFL.COM

BUt it was 2 scores in 24 seconds.

Twenty-four seconds between scores is a little different than actually scoring two times in 24 seconds. The touchdown to Crayton was at the end of a two plus minute drive. It's not like the Cowboys got the ball after the Bills punt, and gained 80 yards and nine points in 24 seconds.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Twenty-four seconds between scores is a little different than actually scoring two times in 24 seconds. The touchdown to Crayton was at the end of a two plus minute drive. It's not like the Cowboys got the ball after the Bills punt, and gained 80 yards and nine points in 24 seconds.

In a way you are right, but the keyword here is "scoring". They scored the touchdown with 24 secs to go and scored again. Analysts and sports talk shows manipulate numbers to serve them in making a point or support their argument. I personally hate stats.

In the 4th quarter, the Lions have the record for scoring the most points. WHO CARES!!

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

You are 100% correct, because Gibbs would have pulled Campbell after the 3rd or 4th INT instead of maintaining faith in his QB.

Say what you want, he had the worst possible game a QB could ever have, EXCEPT for the fact that even though he was playing crappy, even though he almost single handedly gave the game away, when the game was on the line he still drove his team downfield for 2 scores in 20 seconds to win.

Say what you want, but nothing diminishes that fact.

There are only a very small handful of QB's in the league that have that type of "moxy".

I wouldn't chalk it up to "moxy" so much as I would chalk it up to the Bills totally giving that game away.

I'm reading a lot about how the "Cowboys played better because they wanted it more." Sometimes, that's just total BS. If the Bills do the NON-IDIOT thing and run the ball and settle for the FG, that game is out of reach, but no, instead they try to pass and get a TD for NO reason.

The onside kicks, the coverage, I chalk it up to ineptitude on a magnificent scale to lose that game.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

You are 100% correct, because Gibbs would have pulled Campbell after the 3rd or 4th INT instead of maintaining faith in his QB.

Say what you want, he had the worst possible game a QB could ever have, EXCEPT for the fact that even though he was playing crappy, even though he almost single handedly gave the game away, when the game was on the line he still drove his team downfield for 2 scores in 20 seconds to win.

Say what you want, but nothing diminishes that fact.

There are only a very small handful of QB's in the league that have that type of "moxy".

Actually something does diminish that fact...the Bills are 31st in total defense. Only 1 team is worse than the Bills, and they handled you well. That doesn't bode well for you.

Also, EVERY Qb has that kind of "moxy" or they wouldn't be a QB. Not hard to drive off the 2nd worst defense in the entire league.

Fact is, everyone is sucking Romo's nutts, when he has done nothing to deserve it. Campbell is a better QB and he doesn't get any publicity other than in the DC area...even then Romo gets more national attention than Campbell gets in his own town.

Campbell threw for almost 250 yards and 2 tds (no turnovers) with a bag of nutts and misfits thrown together at the last minute, you have one of the best receivers in the league and still he created 6 turnovers. Yet he is still exhaulted...wonder why that is? The media is elevating Romo to Manning / Brady type status, and there is no way he deserves it.
No one is saying he sucks...he doesn't. He's good...but not great.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Actually something does diminish that fact...the Bills are 31st in total defense. Only 1 team is worse than the Bills, and they handled you well. That doesn't bode well for you.

No it doesn't diminish the fact he drove the team down the field for the game winning FG. Yes, he stats are horrendous and he played badly, but that does not diminish it, who won the game? How was the FG possible?

Also, EVERY Qb has that kind of "moxy" or they wouldn't be a QB. Not hard to drive off the 2nd worst defense in the entire league.

That is not true, Leaf was a QB, Joey Harrington is a QB, do they have "Moxy"? Far from it.

Fact is, everyone is sucking Romo's nutts, when he has done nothing to deserve it. Campbell is a better QB and he doesn't get any publicity other than in the DC area...even then Romo gets more national attention than Campbell gets in his own town.

You are right, there is a lot of hype and media praise surrounding Romo now, but when you say Campbell is a better QB is just beyond me. Neither has won a super bowl or any major victory. That is more of an opinion that a fact.

Campbell threw for almost 250 yards and 2 tds (no turnovers) with a bag of nutts and misfits thrown together at the last minute, you have one of the best receivers in the league and still he created 6 turnovers. Yet he is still exhaulted...wonder why that is? The media is elevating Romo to Manning / Brady type status, and there is no way he deserves it.
No one is saying he sucks...he doesn't. He's good...but not great.

Randel El, Lloyd, Portis, Betts are "a bag of nutts and misfits"? Just like the Dallas game against the Bills, it was the D that came up big for Washington and not allowing the so called "high octane offense" score. The two games before the Lions game, Campbell did not do any thing impressive, he did what a normal QB is supposed to do. I am not saying he was bad, but nothing that would make you go "WOW". That is what the media wants and that is why they like Romo. I am sure you saw the ball over the head scrabmle and that is what the media wants to see.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

No it doesn't diminish the fact he drove the team down the field for the game winning FG. Yes, he stats are horrendous and he played badly, but that does not diminish it, who won the game? How was the FG possible?

The Cowboys won the game despite Romo trying to throw it away. So he finally put it together for 1 full drive and about 30 yards in another drive. That's not impressive to me when you're playing the worst defense in the league. You should have blew them away. You didn't. Fact is, i Kolb didn't hit that clutch winner, OR do a perfect onside kick, you'd be pissed at Romo. Romo didn't win the game, Kolb did.

That is not true, Leaf was a QB, Joey Harrington is a QB, do they have "Moxy"? Far from it.

You act as if he's the first guy to do it. Maybe I should have been clearer, active QB's have it. You don't have to look beyond our team to see someone who did it...twice in a season and twice in one game actually. That's right, Mr. Brunell vs the Cowboys in 05 with two bombs to Moss. I don't recall him being anything special, but I guess he possesses this moxie you speak off.

You are right, there is a lot of hype and media praise surrounding Romo now, but when you say Campbell is a better QB is just beyond me. Neither has won a super bowl or any major victory. That is more of an opinion that a fact.

You make a valid point. It is more opinion. It won't be after we win the super bowl this year, but right now, it is opinion.

Randel El, Lloyd, Portis, Betts are "a bag of nutts and misfits"?

Randle El was gone before half time with an injury. Lloyd (1 catch all season, and was in that game), Caldwell (signed after week 2), McCardell (signed 6 days before the game) and Thrash (normally a special teamer) were all asked to be our WR's. If you don't think throwing them together at the last minute is a bag of nutts and misfits, then what qualifies? You go sign two waiver players and let them be your #1 and #2, or #2 and #3 and see what you are saying.

Just like the Dallas game against the Bills, it was the D that came up big for Washington and not allowing the so called "high octane offense" score. The two games before the Lions game, Campbell did not do any thing impressive, he did what a normal QB is supposed to do. I am not saying he was bad, but nothing that would make you go "WOW". That is what the media wants and that is why they like Romo. I am sure you saw the ball over the head scrabmle and that is what the media wants to see.

I disagree with you. Campbell throws a VERY good deep ball, and it does make people say WOW. He's been doing it all season.
Campbell goes about his business and is quiet and respectful. Romo likes the spotlight. Gibbs knows how to control his players and keep them grounded. Only Riggins is a guy I can remember that was "high profile" for the Skins, because Gibbs likes quiet leaders. Romo seems like a good guy, but he's got a long way to fall if he fails now. These kids don't need that added pressure. You will NEVER catch Campbell doing what Romo did with those 6 turnovers.
Trust me when I say Campbell is a better scrambler than Romo. He is extremely underrated in that catagory because he has a pass first attitude. He has all the elements of a great QB...with more experience, some day he will be great. Campbell does a lot of things that "wow" you, you just have to watch every week.

I'm not saying Romo sucks or anything of the sort, I just feel he is overrated. People literally are (or were) putting him up there in the top 3 or 4 qbs. No way is he that good. His performance vs a terrible D proves it.