Chris Carter on Art Monk and Hall of Fame Denial

jsarno · 10-12-2007, 07:30 PM

Look at Lynn Swann.
Played 115 games over 9 seasons, 3 time pro bowler. Has 336 catches for 5462 yards and 51 tds. Career high was 61 catches in a season, and 880 yards and 11 tds (that's right, Swann NEVER had a 1000 yard season...never had a 900 yard season). Swann is not in the top 50 in ANY major catagory.

Monk played 224 games over 16 seasons and was a 3 time pro bowler. He had 940 catches for 12,721 yards and 68 tds. Career high was 106 catches (then a record) and 1372 yards, and 8 tds. Monk has gone over 1000 yards 5 times, he's gone over 880 yards (swann's career high) 7 times. He's gone over 61 catches in a season (swann's career high) 7 times. His receptions mark was #1 all time when he retired, and his yards was #2 all time when he retired. He now ranks 6th all time receptions, 11th in yards, 30th in rec. tds (was top 15 when retired), and 32nd is yards from scrimmage all time.

I just don't get it.

warriorzpath · 10-12-2007, 07:35 PM

Glory and recognition is nice, but as long as the redskins fans know how valuable he was, I think that may be good enough.

Non-redskins fans and even redskins fans that aren't old enough to remember his playing days can't appreciate what he gave to the team. It goes beyond his stats, his games, and even the superbowls he helped win. Even when he was playing for the team, I remember taking him for granted because I thought he wasn't flashy or explosive enough. But after he left the redskins, I saw the difference with his absence and I realized how stupid I was.

And as stupid as it may sound - it doesn't matter if he doesn't get in the Hall of Fame, he doesn't need it to validate how great he was.

jsarno · 10-12-2007, 07:36 PM

Oh, forgot to do averages:
Swann,
averaged 33 catches a season, and 607 yards with 5.67 tds per season.
Monk,
averaged 59 catches a season, and 795 yards with 4.25 tds per season.

So Monk averaged 26 more catches, and 188 yards more per season. That's a huge difference! Swann averaged only 1.42 more td's per season. Not a whole lot more.

10-12-2007, 07:36 PM	#3
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 51 Posts: 9,534	Re: Chris Carter on Art Monk and Hall of Fame Denial Oh, forgot to do averages: Swann, averaged 33 catches a season, and 607 yards with 5.67 tds per season. Monk, averaged 59 catches a season, and 795 yards with 4.25 tds per season. So Monk averaged 26 more catches, and 188 yards more per season. That's a huge difference! Swann averaged only 1.42 more td's per season. Not a whole lot more. __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

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10-12-2007, 07:30 PM	#1
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 51 Posts: 9,534	Re: Chris Carter on Art Monk and Hall of Fame Denial Look at Lynn Swann. Played 115 games over 9 seasons, 3 time pro bowler. Has 336 catches for 5462 yards and 51 tds. Career high was 61 catches in a season, and 880 yards and 11 tds (that's right, Swann NEVER had a 1000 yard season...never had a 900 yard season). Swann is not in the top 50 in ANY major catagory. Monk played 224 games over 16 seasons and was a 3 time pro bowler. He had 940 catches for 12,721 yards and 68 tds. Career high was 106 catches (then a record) and 1372 yards, and 8 tds. Monk has gone over 1000 yards 5 times, he's gone over 880 yards (swann's career high) 7 times. He's gone over 61 catches in a season (swann's career high) 7 times. His receptions mark was #1 all time when he retired, and his yards was #2 all time when he retired. He now ranks 6th all time receptions, 11th in yards, 30th in rec. tds (was top 15 when retired), and 32nd is yards from scrimmage all time. I just don't get it.

10-12-2007, 07:35 PM	#2
warriorzpath Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,880	Re: Chris Carter on Art Monk and Hall of Fame Denial Glory and recognition is nice, but as long as the redskins fans know how valuable he was, I think that may be good enough. Non-redskins fans and even redskins fans that aren't old enough to remember his playing days can't appreciate what he gave to the team. It goes beyond his stats, his games, and even the superbowls he helped win. Even when he was playing for the team, I remember taking him for granted because I thought he wasn't flashy or explosive enough. But after he left the redskins, I saw the difference with his absence and I realized how stupid I was. And as stupid as it may sound - it doesn't matter if he doesn't get in the Hall of Fame, he doesn't need it to validate how great he was.

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