Our offense is Pathetic

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by dgack

I don't know, what Brandon Lloyd calls a "career" is built off of circus catches and he had full hands on that ball and just dropped it.

He could have pretty much written his own prescription for full redemption in the eyes of Redskin Nation had he just been able to make that one play, but as usual, he came up short. I give him credit for laying out on that pass, but I really think that's a catchable ball for a lot of NFL WR's.

You make that sound like an easy catch. I blame Campbell for not putting a little air under that throw. He must learn to do that when he has receivers running in the clear (remember his missing a wide open Moss at Philly). Campbell mentioned after the game that Lloyd has been practicing very well recently, so perhaps we haven't heard the last of Lloyd just yet.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

You make that sound like an easy catch. I blame Campbell for not putting a little air under that throw. He must learn to do that when he has receivers running in the clear (remember his missing a wide open Moss at Philly). Campbell mentioned after the game that Lloyd has been practicing very well recently, so perhaps we haven't heard the last of Lloyd just yet.

I'm not saying it was easy, just that at the pro level, for the money our receivers are getting paid, those kinds of catches are expected, because guys at that level are paid to make plays far above the level of "easy".

If Mike Espy or even (bless his heart) Taylor Jacobs drops that ball, I can understand that. A starter should catch that more often than he drops it, and today the drops stats spoke for themselves.

Sure, Jason's touch on deep balls still needs some work, but I reject the idea that Jason put that ball in an uncatchable place. If we need receivers who can only catch "easy" throws, there are plenty of good high school receivers down here in Texas who can fill that requirement.

[NYCSkin]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

You make that sound like an easy catch. I blame Campbell for not putting a little air under that throw. He must learn to do that when he has receivers running in the clear (remember his missing a wide open Moss at Philly). Campbell mentioned after the game that Lloyd has been practicing very well recently, so perhaps we haven't heard the last of Lloyd just yet.

Completely agree. Campbell throws his long balls "on a line". These lead to either overthrows or difficult balls to catch. It would have taken a spectacular catch by Lloyd on that one...

[warriorzpath]

This thread is pathetic. They made mistakes that they need to work. The offense is pretty good in my opinion. Campbell is the best qb that the redskins have had in a long ass time- since Brad Johnson. He made some mistakes that need to be corrected, but I okay with that because it seemed that he corrected some things from the giants game. The concern for me is the health of the offensive line and gibbs having the team prepared in critical situations. I am pro-gibbs, but at times he just doesn't seem to have thought through game situations. Like under 2:39 left in the game with 1 timeout. Call the timeout before or after the 2 minute warning ? And here's another - 4th and a long 1, should there be a call ready just for this situation ? or if a timeout is needed, should he challenge the spot of the ball - since you are calling a timeout anyways. The worse thing that would happen would be the ball being placed back. Best case: the ball being moved forward, which if i'm not mistaken would save a timeout. Another thing that they could have done was ask to bring out the chains for a measure. That would have given them enough time to think things through (and you can then challenge).

[dgack]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I am pro-gibbs, but at times he just doesn't seem to have thought through game situations. Like under 2:39 left in the game with 1 timeout. Call the timeout before or after the 2 minute warning ?

People have piled on this and I'm mystified as to why. That "horrible" call cost us exactly :09 of game time and had ZERO bearing on the outcome of that game.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by dgack

People have piled on this and I'm mystified as to why. That "horrible" call cost us exactly :09 of game time and had ZERO bearing on the outcome of that game.

9 seconds at the end of the game is at least one more play and can change things dramatically, especially being only down by 3 points.

And you never know, if the timeout is called before the 2 minute warning - would green bay call a pass play to try to put the game away with the redskins playing run. It's not that much of a stretch, considering Favre and co's gambling mentally.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

9 seconds at the end of the game is at least one more play and can change things dramatically, especially being only down by 3 points.

And you never know, if the timeout is called before the 2 minute warning - would green bay call a pass play to try to put the game away with the redskins playing run. It's not that much of a stretch, considering Favre and co's gambling mentally.

Time was not our enemy at the end, momentum was. That, and the pathological inability to make a play by anybody not named Cooley or Campbell.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by dgack

Time was not our enemy at the end, momentum was. That, and the pathological inability to make a play by anybody not named Cooley or Campbell.

When you're down by 3 with a little over 1 minute left, one big thing that you are working against is time.

Of course the offense needs to make some plays, but it doesn't help to waste precious time on top of that.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

This thread is pathetic. They made mistakes that they need to work. The offense is pretty good in my opinion. Campbell is the best qb that the redskins have had in a long ass time- since Brad Johnson. He made some mistakes that need to be corrected, but I okay with that because it seemed that he corrected some things from the giants game. The concern for me is the health of the offensive line and gibbs having the team prepared in critical situations. I am pro-gibbs, but at times he just doesn't seem to have thought through game situations. Like under 2:39 left in the game with 1 timeout. Call the timeout before or after the 2 minute warning ? And here's another - 4th and a long 1, should there be a call ready just for this situation ? or if a timeout is needed, should he challenge the spot of the ball - since you are calling a timeout anyways. The worse thing that would happen would be the ball being placed back. Best case: the ball being moved forward, which if i'm not mistaken would save a timeout. Another thing that they could have done was ask to bring out the chains for a measure. That would have given them enough time to think things through (and you can then challenge).

Speaking of the spot of the ball, the spot after Cooley's catch and dive for the first down marker was absolutely pathetic. I figured that we would be looking at 4th and under a yard instead of 4th and a yard and a half. Still doesn't excuse the poor read on the 4th down play. Bottom line though, there were numerous opportunities to win this game and the offense just didn't get it done. Another poster said that with the outstanding defensive effort, this looked like 2004 all over again, and I couldn't agree more.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Another poster said that with the outstanding defensive effort, this looked like 2004 all over again, and I couldn't agree more.

I hope you meant '05, because this team has nothing in common with '04. No QB controversy, a WR corps that (when healthy) is a damn sight better than the Coles/50-50 combo we sported then, a drastically improved offense (15th in the league in total offense as opposed to 30th where the '04 team finished), and so on..

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Speaking of the spot of the ball, the spot after Cooley's catch and dive for the first down marker was absolutely pathetic. I figured that we would be looking at 4th and under a yard instead of 4th and a yard and a half. Still doesn't excuse the poor read on the 4th down play. Bottom line though, there were numerous opportunities to win this game and the offense just didn't get it done. Another poster said that with the outstanding defensive effort, this looked like 2004 all over again, and I couldn't agree more.

I personally would not compare this offense to 2004's offense. That offense was terrible and had not hope for improvement. This year's offense has put the redskins in position to win games. 2007 to me is way different.

[scowan]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

This thread is pathetic. They made mistakes that they need to work. The offense is pretty good in my opinion. Campbell is the best qb that the redskins have had in a long ass time- since Brad Johnson. He made some mistakes that need to be corrected, but I okay with that because it seemed that he corrected some things from the giants game. The concern for me is the health of the offensive line and gibbs having the team prepared in critical situations. I am pro-gibbs, but at times he just doesn't seem to have thought through game situations. Like under 2:39 left in the game with 1 timeout. Call the timeout before or after the 2 minute warning ? And here's another - 4th and a long 1, should there be a call ready just for this situation ? or if a timeout is needed, should he challenge the spot of the ball - since you are calling a timeout anyways. The worse thing that would happen would be the ball being placed back. Best case: the ball being moved forward, which if i'm not mistaken would save a timeout. Another thing that they could have done was ask to bring out the chains for a measure. That would have given them enough time to think things through (and you can then challenge).

Some one please tell me why on 4th and one we have to call a timeout and have a "committee meeting" on the sideline to call a play. If I am Joe Gibbs, I am saying, everyone shutup, I have my Bust in the HOF, we are running Sellers, all 286 pounds of him right up the middle. Why do we call a timeout and why do we run a flare pattern or whatever that call was to Betts? I am so tired of our clock management issues and the wrong play being called late in the game. I am ready for Greg Williams to become our head coach and Al Saunders to remain as our OC. Joe continues to do dumb things late in the game with the clock and timeouts. I don't know if he can't think fast enough anymore or what it is, but coaches like Beliceck and Jeff Fisher and Bill Cohwer are so much better managing the clock and the time. Joe has become clueless as to how to do this? Even Aikman mentioned it yesterday.