Vince Young overrated?

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm not even sure what you are saying anymore. Are you saying Grossman shouldn't have been benched simply because he was winning? Are you saying that he should of because he was sucking, but not because of his stats...somehow? Or is this about how everything is subjective and we don't know anymore about Grossman now than we ever did, and he only got benched because he wasn't winning?

Your argument is very confusing.

LOL, I did confuse myself a bit too.

Yes, what I was trying to say is that Grossman should have been benched if stats are that important. The media, the fans, and the Bears organization could care less about Grossman's individual stats. When they were winning, you heard it many times, "Rex is our starter." Once the Bears started losing, and it could be more because of their D, he HAD TO be benched. What does that tell you? Isn't everyone crazy about WINs and not stats?

BTW, I thought they should have stuck with Orton, I liked watching him play when he played for Purdue and thought he had a better chance of developing than Rex.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

LOL, I did confuse myself a bit too.

Yes, what I was trying to say is that Grossman should have been benched if stats are that important. The media, the fans, and the Bears organization could care less about Grossman's individual stats. When they were winning, you heard it many times, "Rex is our starter." Once the Bears started losing, and it could be more because of their D, he HAD TO be benched. What does that tell you? Isn't everyone crazy about WINs and not stats?

BTW, I thought they should have stuck with Orton, I liked watching him play when he played for Purdue and thought he had a better chance of developing than Rex.

Yeah, winning is pretty important from an emotional standpoint. Ideally, it should not be, but in reality it certainly is.

Still, if there was a better option, Rex would have been benched last year. Orton was horrible as a rookie, and Griese, save 2004, has been pretty horrific for many seasons.

I don't really look at it as if the Bears waited to start losing to pull Grossman. I see it more as that they were hoping he would progress and become a franchise quarterback. Once they had benched him, it was pretty clear they no longer would value him as their QB of the future. Thing is, you don't want to bench him only to cut him, and have him be successful elsewhere.

So they waited a bit into this season to see what kind of progress he had made in the offseason. When your guys made him look as bad as he did, it became apparent that he was now in his 5th year in the NFL, and still wasn't very good. Now with any reasonable hope of having a decent player out the window, the Bears felt justified in making a change.

At this point, I'd like to see Orton also. He's going to have progressed from his 2005 disaster, and if you have a player in him, now would be the time to find out. Griese isn't taking them anywhere with a mediocre defense.

The Bears could be back and dominant as soon as next season, but they have to get the OL shored up and get a QB in there who they trust, and chances are neither is on the roster right now.

I don't think it was a deal of not caring about his performance. You don't bench a guy with a career winning percentage around .700 for starting 1-2 unless he was hurting his team with his play. Grossman never really proved good value for a first round pick at any point in his career, and that's why he got the quick hook this season. Not because he began 1-2.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't really look at it as if the Bears waited to start losing to pull Grossman. I see it more as that they were hoping he would progress and become a franchise quarterback. Once they had benched him, it was pretty clear they no longer would value him as their QB of the future. Thing is, you don't want to bench him only to cut him, and have him be successful elsewhere.

Exactly, that is how YOU look at it.

Let's assume Grossman had won 3 games, even with his horrible stats, do you think Greise would have taken a snap in a real game? No chance!

Put it this way, if I told you that if JC had 3 more INT and two more fumbles, the Skins would have won the game in GB, whould you have have taken that over a loss?