Canadian Healthcare from a Canadian...

[BigSKINBauer]

Now no system is perfect. It is important to take the good from many systems and make it an american system. I am fine with allowing people to choose private healthcare with some sort of tax break.

The problem is, health care is something that a government should supply to its people. As hard it is to achieve, in my mind it is as simple as that. We don't worry about paying the fire department and the police. This is part of our safety and it should be covered.

Taxes may be higher but this is a basic service that a government should be providing. It seems all major industrialized countries, except for america, have been able to understand that

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

Now no system is perfect. It is important to take the good from many systems and make it an american system. I am fine with allowing people to choose private healthcare with some sort of tax break.

The problem is, health care is something that a government should supply to its people. As hard it is to achieve, in my mind it is as simple as that. We don't worry about paying the fire department and the police. This is part of our safety and it should be covered.

Taxes may be higher but this is a basic service that a government should be providing. It seems all major industrialized countries, except for america, have been able to understand that

Why then stop with health ins. How about food, water, jobs, etc.. Why is health ins a right?

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Why then stop with health ins. How about food, water, jobs, etc.. Why is health ins a right?

Well a government should not only provide order but also keep the people safe. I think letting poor people get sick because they can't afford treatment is pretty shitty of a government. Its not only about the poor people who don't have insurance but those that get screwed by the messed up system this country has. Now obviously a public healthcare system will be much less efficient, especially at the beginning, so i have no problem allowing people get private healthcare and getting a tax break for it.

Also i think food is ok to give to people who are unable to afford it, the food stamps aren't that great anyways. People who are unemployed and part of the labor force should be helped in finding jobs. And yeah, i do think water is a something a government should offer to those that can't afford it to live. But i understand your point but it is a case by case basis. The ability to receive treatment for a sickness is something that should available to all people in this country. Life is an inherent right for all people and it should be equal for all, rich or poor. SOmeone who is rich has no more of a God given, or society given right to live moreso than someone who is poor. Now obviously people with money will always be treated better.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

Well a government should not only provide order but also keep the people safe. I think letting poor people get sick because they can't afford treatment is pretty shitty of a government. Its not only about the poor people who don't have insurance but those that get screwed by the messed up system this country has. Now obviously a public healthcare system will be much less efficient, especially at the beginning, so i have no problem allowing people get private healthcare and getting a tax break for it.

Also i think food is ok to give to people who are unable to afford it, the food stamps aren't that great anyways. People who are unemployed and part of the labor force should be helped in finding jobs. And yeah, i do think water is a something a government should offer to those that can't afford it to live. But i understand your point but it is a case by case basis. The ability to receive treatment for a sickness is something that should available to all people in this country. Life is an inherent right for all people and it should be equal for all, rich or poor. SOmeone who is rich has no more of a God given, or society given right to live moreso than someone who is poor. Now obviously people with money will always be treated better.

Everybody has the right not to be killed. But living healthy is a privelege, not a right. I don't see that shit in the Constitution. Nobody has the right to live a healthy life, that's the part that YOU have to make happen.

And that includes making sure you graduate from high school and get a job that has a modicum of health insurance benefits.

All kids born into a poor/middle class family should get covered by the government. But if you've made it to adulthood and you still can't afford health insurance, that's your fault.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Everybody has the right not to be killed. But living healthy is a privelege, not a right. I don't see that shit in the Constitution. Nobody has the right to live a healthy life, that's the part that YOU have to make happen.

And that includes making sure you graduate from high school and get a job that has a modicum of health insurance benefits.

The sky is falling! I actually agree with something Schneed said!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Why then stop with health ins. How about food, water, jobs, etc.. Why is health ins a right?

I suppose you can also ask the same question about every service the government provides. If the government is suppose look out for the well being of its citizens then how can one include national defense and exclude national health care?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I suppose you can also ask the same question about every service the government provides. If the government is suppose look out for the well being of its citizens then how can one include national defense and exclude national health care?

I'm for the federal gov. to reduce what they allready doing not increasing their role. Some one mention police and fire but those are city and state run.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

Now no system is perfect. It is important to take the good from many systems and make it an american system. I am fine with allowing people to choose private healthcare with some sort of tax break.

The problem is, health care is something that a government should supply to its people. As hard it is to achieve, in my mind it is as simple as that. We don't worry about paying the fire department and the police. This is part of our safety and it should be covered.

Taxes may be higher but this is a basic service that a government should be providing. It seems all major industrialized countries, except for america, have been able to understand that

I agree completely. IMO, government's top priorities should be education and health care.

I also think that we pay enough taxes to cover these expenses, but the government misuses that money. Most changes in government behavior is a chance to increase taxes, and I believe the government will always exploit those opportunities. They'll never give money back once they've got their hands on it, and they are always looking for more (IMO).