where is ramsey part 2!!

[DirtBagZ]

As fans we have to realize that Brunell is Gibbs' boy he is going to stick with Brunell throughout the season. The only exception will be if there is an injury. We will be lucky to be 8-8.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Brunell is the only starter who I feel needs some time on the bench. Of about 120 minutes of football, he's only been good in about 15 of them. Gibbs' entire system depends on the credibility of the deep ball (run, throw deep, run, run, throw deep). Defenses are not going to back off Portis until we get a few deep completions. Ramsey's short passing game blows and Brunell's deep ball blows. Right now, I'd go with Ramsey.

I was against getting Brunell to begin with (due to dead cap space concerns) but giving up a high second rounder for him when Kerry Collins and others were on the market was insane.

Our dline could use a pass-rushing threat and we could use some depth at safety or TE or LB. That 2nd rounder would have helped us out nicely.

Brunell just doesn't cut it and anyone who thinks he does hasn't been watching out scoreboard lately.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Ramsey's short passing game blows and Brunell's deep ball blows. Right now, I'd go with Ramsey.

I was against getting Brunell to begin with (due to dead cap space concerns) but giving up a high second rounder for him when Kerry Collins and others were on the market was insane.

That 2nd rounder would have helped us out nicely.

Brunell just doesn't cut it and anyone who thinks he does hasn't been watching out scoreboard lately.

It was a big stretch for both Brunell and Portis! I definitely disagreed with the Brunell trade, and I was 50/50 for the Portis deal. But I knew Champ wasn't comming back, so we got value for value. With Brunell we have a nearly dead arm, and equally as important, dead cap space!

I would have preferred HOF Coach Gibbs come in and do better with the same material OBC could not. Instead, HOF Coach Gibbs has gone with his heart! Getting Brunell, calling all of the uneeded TOs, and throwing the red flags! Wrong moves in the wrong place at the wrong time!

[BIGREDSKINFAN63]

Originally Posted by aehs77

if brunell had lead coles on that long pass up the middle it would have gone for 6

if,if,if,if,.son do'nt you know that is the middle word of life?do'nt look back,look forward.

[Daseal]

Bigredskin - if I could understand what you wrote I'd retort. Remember Ramsey was used for times in the Spurrier era to come in and launch a ball as far as he could, which led to like 3 INTs. Brunell isn't hurting us anymore, but he sure as hell isn't moving us. Can't run without the threat of a pass, and can't pass without the threat of a run.

[BIGREDSKINFAN63]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Bigredskin - if I could understand what you wrote I'd retort. Remember Ramsey was used for times in the Spurrier era to come in and launch a ball as far as he could, which led to like 3 INTs. Brunell isn't hurting us anymore, but he sure as hell isn't moving us. Can't run without the threat of a pass, and can't pass without the threat of a run.

i'll put it in english okay.what has brunell done to lose the games so far?has has not thrown any pics yet has he?he is doing what is asked of him by his coaches.did'nt you listen to the game?if he was not moving the team today who was?with respect to ramsey,i'm talking about his"great"relief performance against the giants.all he had to do was throw 1 touchdown pass and he could not do it.i am not holding the last two years against ramsey or anybody that played for spurrier.since the first preseason game this year under gibbs,ramsey has pretty much stunk up the place and that is bad.

[BIGREDSKINFAN63]

let me change the subject before i piss somebody off,why the hell are'nt kenyatta jones,darrien mccant's,and the rock playing any?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by BIGREDSKINFAN63

i'll put it in english okay.what has brunell done to lose the games so far?has has not thrown any pics yet has he?he is doing what is asked of him by his coaches.did'nt you listen to the game?if he was not moving the team today who was?with respect to ramsey,i'm talking about his"great"relief performance against the giants.all he had to do was throw 1 touchdown pass and he could not do it.i am not holding the last two years against ramsey or anybody that played for spurrier.since the first preseason game this year under gibbs,ramsey has pretty much stunk up the place and that is bad.

Thanks for putting it in English, because I wasn't sure what in what language I should write "Brunell can't move shit." Brunell hasn't made a lot of costly mistakes, but he hasn't done anything with our offense. With Portis, Coles, Gardner, Thrash, Cooley et al. Brunell has no excuses for not getting it done.

I could hold onto the ball and just get sacked (like Brunell was 5 times last week - largely due to holding onto the ball too long). But that doesn't mean I'd make a good QB. The QB is ultimately responsible for moving the chains. 1 or 2 drops by Coles and 1 fumble by Portis isn't goog enough of an excuse to say that those people are why we can't make the offense work.

How many deep passes has Brunell thrown this season? I don't know what the exact number is, but a lot. How many has he completed? 5 or 6...at most. That's not good.

Brunell has had 4 good drives. Other than that, he hasn't justified Gibbs' decision to start him.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by BIGREDSKINFAN63

i'll put it in english okay.what has brunell done to lose the games so far?has has not thrown any pics yet has he?he is doing what is asked of him by his coaches.did'nt you listen to the game?if he was not moving the team today who was? with respect to ramsey,i'm talking about his"great"relief performance against the giantsall he had to do was throw 1 touchdown pass and he could not do it.i am not holding the last two years against ramsey or anybody that played for spurrier.since the first preseason game this year under gibbs,ramsey has pretty much stunk up the place and that is bad.

Time for a language lesson! I have to ask this question first, did you, or did you not watch the Giant game a couple of week's ago? Because if you did, you would have seen Brunnell give up 7 point's for the second week in a row, and yes we lost by 6 point's, the problem is, Brunell supporter's refuse to hold him to the same accountability as Ramsey, Ramsey hasen't surrendered point's to the defense this year, Brunell has surrendered 14, Brunell also has the luxury of practicing with the first team all week, Ramsey does not, Ramsey threw 3 pick's, 1 was cole's fault, the second came after he drove the ball down the Giant's throat, and after gardner dropped as easy, and as perfect of a TD pass you will see, he was picked in the end zone on a corner route, his last INT you could see came off his hand funny while he was on the run, and Ramsey was put into a position by Brunell to have to play come back, which is alway's more difficult for the QB, do I think Brunell will get better as he get's used to the sysytem? Yes. Do I think if Ramsey givin the same opportunity, will run circles around Brunell as far as moving this offense? Absolutly!

with respect to ramsey,i'm talking about his"great"relief performance against the giantsall he had to do was throw 1 touchdown pass and he could not do it.

And this is what a lot of us are talking about, accountability for Brunnell, all he had to do is throw 1 TD pass and we would have won, in fact all he had to do is move us into field goal range, and he couldn't even do that, and he had the whole game to accomplish this feet, not 1 half, and not when your trailing, bottom line you can say he doesn't make any mistakes with INT's, But he doesn't move the ball either, the name of the game is to win, not play INT free, and lose, Brunnell remind's me of another QB on our team, Tim Hasselbach, he doesn't throw INT's, and he doesn't move the ball either, no why? He never get's on the field, I want a QB, to play QB, I want him to go out and win the game, not a QB who's trying not to lose it, Ramsey play's to win, he will take chances which will hurt you on occasion, he's still young and inexpierenced, those mistakes will become few and far between with expierence, but that kind of competivness is what will make him a tremendous starter, and leader on our team.

MY VOTE GOES TO RAMSEY!

[Gmanc711]

Does anyone else eat alot when they get depressed/pissed off. I think I've gained like 7 pounds since the Skins started this season ( Eating Peanutbutter Brownies right now)

[That Guy]

all he had to do was throw 1 touchdown pass and he could not do it

he did throw a TD pass... and he threw a 2nd one too, that gardner dropped next complaint....

[JWsleep]

Portis and Coles put the ball on the ground. If that continues, it doesn't matter who's QB.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Portis and Coles put the ball on the ground. If that continues, it doesn't matter who's QB.

Then why is it that other teams whose RBs and WRs fumble or drop passes can get it done?

If I recall, drops and fumbles didn't kill all of our drives, or even close to the majority of them.

When drops and fumbles weren't our problem (i.e. against TB and Dallas) why is it that we still couldn't get it done?

I want to actually hear someone defending Brunell say that he has looked good. If you can show me someone who says that, I'll show you a blind crackhead.

[DirtBagZ]

Ramseyfan - I am in the tank for Ramsey as well. Guess it is time for a new icon, We Want Ramsey.

[Gmanc711]

The Ravens must be licking their chops right now.