Why all the complaining?

[scowan]

Guys, if the playoffs started today.......1. Cowboys, 2. Packers, 3. Panthers, 4. Seahawks, 5. Giants, 6. Redskins.

We 're IN!!! Everyone chill. We should not have won today, but we should not have lost to the Packers either. Its all good.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by scowan

Guys, if the playoffs started today.......1. Cowboys, 2. Packers, 3. Panthers, 4. Seahawks, 5. Giants, 6. Redskins.

We 're IN!!! Everyone chill. We should not have won today, but we should not have lost to the Packers either. Its all good.

Honestly, have our standards as Redskin fans dropped to where we are just happy to get in as a 6th seed? I want to be a Super Bowl contending team.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Honestly, have our standards as Redskin fans dropped to where we are just happy to get in as a 6th seed? I want to be a Super Bowl contending team.

There's a long way between here and there, dude. Right now, for this team, yes, playoffs are a first start. JC needs playoff experience. Not many young QB's get to traipse on into the Super Bowl like Rockthisburger did; usually it takes a lot of playoff experience to get out of that round.

I think we would all agree we're not strong enough to defeat most of the AFC playoff teams, so I think slipping in as a 6th seed is probably great considering what a mess the injury situation has been. I'd rather it happen like this this year and Jason get some valuable experience than for us to go in as #2 or #3 seeds and get trounced by a playoff-seasoned team like Seattle or Tampa, personally... at least this way we aren't "wasting" a great season.

[Daseal]

Nick Saban once said, the last thing I want is an ugly win. Said some people don't understand that just because you won the game doesn't mean all is well. At first I thought he was an idiot and everyone can see that after every game, especially wins you have to look at your flaws and try to fix them. After reading through these threads, I see what he means.

Is our Oline beat up, yes. Are we having injury problems? Yes. Welcome to the NFL. It's called depth, and we don't have any. Hell, when you have to trade for a starting guard two weeks before the season starts, you've already set yourself up for failure. Regardless of our offensive lines shape, I can't blame our entire poor performance on it. On the rare occasion that we actually threw the ball, often time Campbell didn't seem to be horribly rushed. A few times, sure -- that's to be expected. but not an abnormal amount.

The real question is, why aren't we working with our athletic QB, rolling him out, and using his feet to make up for problems with our offensive line, instead of trying to force them to make blocks and run the ball. We had a horribly conservative offense in the 2nd half, as usual. If you can't play offense because of injuries, you did something wrong as a team. We will not make the playoffs or even have a winning record if we keep this type of offensive performance up.

[FRPLG]

I am a staunch believer that we were too conservative in the second half against the Giants for no good reason but before that and since our offensive strategy has been fine in my estimation. Our "conservativeness" today was dictated by the personell we had. Plain and simple. I really think that all these people blaming intensity or play calling in general are missing the fact that having a decimated offensive line doesn't just affect how well you do things but it affects the things you can even try to do.

We had to pare our play book back based on personell and then they executed the reduced play book about half as well as our normal guys would have. The offensive line IS THAT IMPORTANT. It is the key to everything anyone does. It is the reason we struggled today.

[rypper11]

If the we make the playoffs as the WC, don't be suprised if we play @ the winners of the West (the Cards). They might not finish better than 8-8 but wow is the west weak.

[rypper11]

The Giants are playing lights out and the Cowpokes won't lose more than 4 games this year. I think WC is our best option. Though we could still end up with a better record than anyone in the rest of the NFC outside of the East.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by rypper11

The Giants are playing lights out and the Cowpokes won't lose more than 4 games this year. I think WC is our best option. Though we could still end up with a better record than anyone in the rest of the NFC outside of the East.

The thing about the Giants is that the only team they have beat with a winning record has been the Washington Redskins. We gave away that game.

[FRPLG]

I shudder to think: Imagine how well that personell set would execute some of the less conservative stuff if today is how they executed the easier and more conservative stuff?

[rypper11]

I was noticing something interesting. The Skins are ranked 4th in the NFC in net points with plus 34. Cowboys are +69, Giants +38 and Packers +35.

[FRPLG]

This thread is driving me nuts. What does everyone expect our offense to do? Be reasonable here. Take into account our injuries and therefore our avaiable personell. Then apply that to our philosophy and add it all up. JC has been fine. He is the best thing we have on offense but he has little time to throw, few weapons and no run game to counter a pass defense. He is doing ok given those situations.

I like to think that esssentially it can't get worse in terms of situation. If it does then we're done and it won;t matter otherwise health will increase on the line and our offense will open back up. Until then hunker down for a stripped playbook and poor execution,

[JWsleep]

Here's some thoughts on the offense. I actually feel it's a combination of things here, injuries, playcalling AND execution.

1. Injuries: we cannot run the ball. Both Gibbs and Saunders predicate much of their offensive philosophy on balance and running for a high average. Taking that aspect of the game away is a big blow. The big loss here is Thomas, IMO, but Rabach is a close second. And that's not to mention Jansen who, IMO, would have come on after a slow start and was always about the run game.

2. Reaction to the injuries leads to a modified game plan, no doubt. They still tried to establish the run, but failed. And they had lots of short drops, because Pucillo cannot make the line calls like Rabach (and can't block as well either). The D has been lights out, so a conservative game plan is not crazy. Plus, they aren't ready just to send JC back there like McNabb, if they ever will. First, he could get hurt with this line (did you see Wade on that sack? Wtf? Wake up!). Second, he could make the wrong read (as has been mentioned, he hasn't started a full season's worth of games yet!). So it's not nuts, again. My complaint is that I think JC is ready to step up, and I'd like to see that more. But I get the thinking here.

3. Execution: we were in 3rd and short a lot, and couldn't convert. It doesn't take a dang long bomb there. The lack of a run really hurts here. But my guess is that on most of those third and short "behind the line" throws were not the first reads. I could be wrong, but it seemed JC came off a longer route and threw underneath. That avoids the sack, and you HOPE someone can make a guy miss. We couldn't do that. So better reads, more time to throw, and a juke or two would help! And my guess is also that blocks are being missed--again, you can point to injury, but still. And finally, on the screen INT. JC is 6' 5" and failed to get it over the rusher. That screen was a nice call. We didn't execute.

The big stat for this O is 3rd down percentage. We do well when we convert--that opens the playbook, tires the D, and creates opportunities to take shots. We are having trouble with that, no doubt. All three factors are to blame.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Here's some thoughts on the offense. I actually feel it's a combination of things here, injuries, playcalling AND execution.

1. Injuries: we cannot run the ball. Both Gibbs and Saunders predicate much of their offensive philosophy on balance and running for a high average. Taking that aspect of the game away is a big blow. The big loss here is Thomas, IMO, but Rabach is a close second. And that's not to mention Jansen who, IMO, would have come on after a slow start and was always about the run game.

2. Reaction to the injuries leads to a modified game plan, no doubt. They still tried to establish the run, but failed. And they had lots of short drops, because Pucillo cannot make the line calls like Rabach (and can't block as well either). The D has been lights out, so a conservative game plan is not crazy. Plus, they aren't ready just to send JC back there like McNabb, if they ever will. First, he could get hurt with this line (did you see Wade on that sack? Wtf? Wake up!). Second, he could make the wrong read (as has been mentioned, he hasn't started a full season's worth of games yet!). So it's not nuts, again. My complaint is that I think JC is ready to step up, and I'd like to see that more. But I get the thinking here.

3. Execution: we were in 3rd and short a lot, and couldn't convert. It doesn't take a dang long bomb there. The lack of a run really hurts here. But my guess is that on most of those third and short "behind the line" throws were not the first reads. I could be wrong, but it seemed JC came off a longer route and threw underneath. That avoids the sack, and you HOPE someone can make a guy miss. We couldn't do that. So better reads, more time to throw, and a juke or two would help! And my guess is also that blocks are being missed--again, you can point to injury, but still. And finally, on the screen INT. JC is 6' 5" and failed to get it over the rusher. That screen was a nice call. We didn't execute.

The big stat for this O is 3rd down percentage. We do well when we convert--that opens the playbook, tires the D, and creates opportunities to take shots. We are having trouble with that, no doubt. All three factors are to blame.

Nice post. As for the question in the thread title, the simple answer is many fans don't know what to do if they're not complaining. How much you want to bet that if we win next week there will be threads such as "We Nearly Blew It" "How Could We Beat the Pats But Lose to The Packers" "Cut Frost Now" and so on. It's the nature of the beast.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Nice post. As for the question in the thread title, the simple answer is many fans don't know what to do if they're not complaining. How much you want to bet that if we win next week there will be threads such as "We Nearly Blew It" "How Could We Beat the Pats But Lose to The Packers" "Cut Frost Now" and so on. It's the nature of the beast.

I agree and I also think that there are a lot more fans on the path nowadays who exchew understanding the game and being realistic for being emotional and reactionary. I have serious wonders about the people who keep trying to say that our OLine being decimated shouldn't matter that much. It means everything and anyone who can't see that is either dumb or simply close minded. Either way they are basing their opinions on a lack of understanding.

I am not saying all this as an excuse. I am stating reality. Our Oline sucks right now. Not much we can do about it. Based on what we have available I think our offensive production is right in line with expectations and should get better as health increases.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I agree and I also think that there are a lot more fans on the path nowadays who exchew understanding the game and being realistic for being emotional and reactionary. I have serious wonders about the people who keep trying to say that our OLine being decimated shouldn't matter that much. It means everything and anyone who can't see that is either dumb or simply close minded. Either way they are basing their opinions on a lack of understanding.

I am not saying all this as an excuse. I am stating reality. Our Oline sucks right now. Not much we can do about it. Based on what we have available I think our offensive production is right in line with expectations and should get better as health increases.

Post of the day right here, well said.