Vince Young overrated?

[MTK]

I guess VY should just retire then.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess VY should just retire then.

Nothing like overreacting eh matty?

Even if you sucked at your job, if you were making millions, would you retire?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Nothing like overreacting eh matty?

Even if you sucked at your job, if you were making millions, would you retire?

Kinda seems like what you're doing here. You jumped on here like this last game proved that the Titans are better off without VY or something.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Kinda seems like what you're doing here. You jumped on here like this last game proved that the Titans are better off without VY or something.

You're right...I haven't been talking about this exact subject since last year or anything.

This last game is just more proof you choose to ignore.

If it walks like a duck...oh what's the point, you aren't capable of looking at this argument objectively.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You're right...I haven't been talking about this exact subject since last year or anything.

This last game is just more proof you choose to ignore.

If it walks like a duck...oh what's the point, you aren't capable of looking at this argument objectively.

You think they should start Collins the rest of the way?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You think they should start Collins the rest of the way?

Honestly I think Collins is nothing special (said so in a previous post). I think if either of them are their permanent solutions they won't acheive much. I do think Collins earned the next start though regardless of Young's health. You can't argue with how the offense was the best ever in the Young era.
SO in short, I would say, he should start the next game no matter what, then I will reevaluate.

One thing that I have noticed no one has given credit to is Fisher and his staff. They are amazing, and should be given a world of credit. The most underrated coaching staff in the league IMO.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Honestly I think Collins is nothing special (said so in a previous post). I think if either of them are their permanent solutions they won't acheive much. I do think Collins earned the next start though regardless of Young's health. You can't argue with how the offense was the best ever in the Young era.
SO in short, I would say, he should start the next game no matter what, then I will reevaluate.

One thing that I have noticed no one has given credit to is Fisher and his staff. They are amazing, and should be given a world of credit. The most underrated coaching staff in the league IMO.

Fisher is a great coach, no question about it.

As to Collins, should we ignore the fact that he was pretty dreadful at the beginning of last year? How much credit should we give the defense, and special teams for last week's win? Granted the defense folded like a tent in the 4th quarter but they did have some key takeaways. And do you factor in VY's abilities as a rusher, or just ignore those?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess VY should just retire then.

If I were Tenn I'd trade him while people like you still thinks he can thrown and "win games" with his whopping 11-9 record. Then I'd go get a REAL Qb.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jsarno

If I were Tenn I'd trade him while people like you still thinks he can thrown and "win games" with his whopping 11-9 record. Then I'd go get a REAL Qb.

An 11-9 record for a rookie/2nd year QB on a team that was awful and doesn't have a loaded WR corps or a proven RB is pretty good.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

An 11-9 record for a rookie QB on a team that was awful and doesn't have a loaded WR corps or a proven RB is pretty good.

Just like Grossman going 13-3 and to the super bowl in his first starting GIG is pretty good too, but where did that get him?

All I ask is that in 5 years when Young's luster has worn off and he has won nothing, and everyone finally sees that he can't throw for shit, you remember that I was the only one that called it.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Just like Grossman going 13-3 and to the super bowl in his first starting GIG is pretty good too, but where did that get him?

All I ask is that in 5 years when Young's luster has worn off and he has won nothing, and everyone finally sees that he can't throw for shit, you remember that I was the only one that called it.

Why is it that you made excuses for Joey Harrington's failures (e.g., no one could be successful behind that line, with those wideouts), but you won't make similar excuses for Young? Young is arguably playing behind a line that isn't any better than Atlanta's, with RBs who aren't as good at Atlanta's, and with wideouts that no other club would want to have. Young is also a 2nd year QB. Yet, for some unknown reason, Vince Young stinks while Joey Harrington (a guy who's been dumped by 2 clubs and benched by the third) is a victim of circumstance.

In my opinion, Young isn't some stud QB, but he is certainly better than Harrington and he has shown signs of promise.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Why is it that you made excuses for Joey Harrington's failures (e.g., no one could be successful behind that line, with those wideouts), but you won't make similar excuses for Young? Young is arguably playing behind a line that isn't any better than Atlanta's, with RBs who aren't as good at Atlanta's, and with wideouts that no other club would want to have. Young is also a 2nd year QB. Yet, for some unknown reason, Vince Young stinks while Joey Harrington (a guy who's been dumped by 2 clubs and benched by the third) is a victim of circumstance.

In my opinion, Young isn't some stud QB, but he is certainly better than Harrington and he has shown signs of promise.

Harington is not overrated...he is what he is. Everyone dogged on Harrington like he was the worst QB that ever walked. I don't think he's anything special, I just don't think he's the worst ever.

LOL...the 5th best rushing attack in the NFL at 144.0 yards per game and he's behind a line that is comparable to Atlanta? I don't think so.

Eric Moulds is a hall of famer, Roydell Williams is immensely talented, Jones is pretty talented himself, and Gage is OK. So I dare say that Young makes them look bad, not the other way around. Those WR numbers look bad because Young is bad. If you only throw for say 10 attempts a game, and you throw to say 5 different players, then the MAX someone can get is 2 receptions per game, those numbers will look horrible, but it has nothing to do with their talent, it has to do with the opportunity thrown their way.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Just like Grossman going 13-3 and to the super bowl in his first starting GIG is pretty good too, but where did that get him?

All I ask is that in 5 years when Young's luster has worn off and he has won nothing, and everyone finally sees that he can't throw for shit, you remember that I was the only one that called it.

As I was watching CBS and saw that the Titans were about to kick the winning FG, I was laughing and thinking to myself, Jsarno is going to have a field day if Collins wins this game for them. Who knows, maybe you are right after all.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

As I was watching CBS and saw that the Titans were about to kick the winning FG, I was laughing and thinking to myself, Jsarno is going to have a field day if Collins wins this game for them. Who knows, maybe you are right after all.

LOL...I was practically salivating hoping Collins would win that game for them. HAHA.

Oh well, a lot of people can be told the sky is blue and they won't agree, it's just human nature to hate to change their own perceptions.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Oh well, a lot of people can be told the sky is blue and they won't agree, it's just human nature to hate to change their own perceptions.

Agreed, you simply don't know when to admit that you are wrong.