Why all the complaining?

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.

You really have not seen any progress from Jason Campbell this year, it must only be you

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

You really have not seen any progress from Jason Campbell this year, it must only be you

Sure there has been some progress, but if you could remember back in training camp when all the buzz was about how JC was going to be vastly improved. I for one don't see it, especially when our defense gives you back the ball and our offense does nothing but 3 and out. But, I will acknowledge the fact that those droped passes have hurt as well. This team is not that good of a team to just give back the ball to the oposition.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

Sure there has been some progress, but if you could remember back in training camp when all the buzz was about how JC was going to be vastly improved. I for one don't see it, especially when our defense gives you back the ball and our offense does nothing but 3 and out. But, I will acknowledge the fact that those droped passes have hurt as well. This team is not that good of a team to just give back the ball to the oposition.

You're just insane. Were it not for 8 dropped passes against GB and several long passes to receivers stopped on the 1, Jason would probably be sporting numbers similar to this:

Record: 5-1
Yds: 1200
TD's: 8
INT: 4

Even taking the *real* numbers, he's improved from last year in completion percentage and yards per attempt already, despite clearly being asked to do more in the offense (he's taken 2 more sacks already than he did last year, in one fewer game). Our running game is far less effective than it was last year, so offenses can key on Jason, yet he's still making smart plays (today's game notwithstanding) in most cases, and often he's putting the team on his back. All from a guy who hasn't started an entire season yet.

Say, how are those other young, highly touted QB's doing:

-- Vince Young
-- Philip Rivers
-- Alex Smith
-- Matt Leinart
-- Jay Cutler

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Guys need to remember that this kid is TWENTY FIVE freaking years old. At 13 games into his professional career, his numbers look like this:

Cmp: 210
Att:375
Pct: 56.0
Yd: 2,478
Avg: 6.6
TD: 15
INT: 11
Sck: 16
SckYd: 97
Rate: 77.4
RushAtt: 44
RushYd: 200
RushAvg: 4.5
RushTD: 1
Fum: 6
Lost: 1

Thirteen games into his career, Carson Palmer's numbers:
Cmp: 263
Att: 432
Pct: 60.9
Yd: 2,897
Avg: 6.7
TD: 18
INT: 18
Sck:25
SckYd: 178
Rate: 77.3
RushAtt: 18
RushYd: 47
RushAvg: 2.6
RushTD: 1
Fum: 2
Lost: 2

And just for comparison, here's Peyton Manning's first 16 games:
Cmp: 326
Att: 575
Pct: 56.7
Yd: 3,739
Avg: 6.5
TD: 26
INT: 28
Sck: 22
SckYd: 109
Rate: 71.2
RushAtt: 15
RushYd: 62
RushAvg: 4.1
RushTD: 0
Fum: 3
Lost: 1

So before you go all flipping out about Campbell, recognize that he's exactly where he needs to be. And in most measurable statistics, he's farther along than two of today's best QB's were at similar points in *their* NFL careers.

[SFREDSKIN]

Why don't we just compare young QB's and their teams:

Young + Titans 4-2
Smith + Forty Niners 2-4
Cutler + Denver 3-3
Leinart + Arizona 3-4

You can also include Rivers and Manning if you like

Rivers + Chargers 3-3
Manning + Giants 5-2
Romo + Cowboys 6-1

All this QB's were drafted ahead of Campbell except for Romo and their records are no better except for Romo and Manning who've been in the league one year longer.

I think Campbell is doing just fine for his experience level, the sky is the limit on his potential. He's still in the learning process, it would help if Moss would get of his funk. I think the funk is due to a hamstring strain.