Why all the complaining?

[rypper11]

My predicted score was off a little but my Warpath prediction was right on. Bitching from the masses about "conservitive gamecalling" and "Gibbs and Saunders holding JC back" even though we win. I am so tired of so-called fans crying that they want wide open offense and a completely stifling Defense. Of course JC should be able to throw for 300 yards a game and Portis run for another 200 because that's what they do on Madden 08 every week. "Take the handcuffs off JC" and "open up the offense". This is a tired and ridiculous decree from people who obviously prefer the AFL over the NFL. For the people who refuse to accept that having only 2 of five opening day starters healthy along the Oline and hate the "conservative playcalling", watch the Lions, Bengals and Colts. They are far more exciting though with various degrees of a winning record. Even Manning has looked human with Tarek Glenn retired.
For those who are just waiting for the Philadelphia Soul to retake the field and would rather lose 49-48 than win 3-0, please just tune into the NBA or better yet play Madden 08 and tell all your friends that you could take the Dolphins to the SuperBowl if only you had the job.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by rypper11

My predicted score was off a little but my Warpath prediction was right on. Bitching from the masses about "conservitive gamecalling" and "Gibbs and Saunders holding JC back" even though we win. I am so tired of so-called fans crying that they want wide open offense and a completely stifling Defense. Of course JC should be able to throw for 300 yards a game and Portis run for another 200 because that's what they do on Madden 08 every week. "Take the handcuffs off JC" and "open up the offense". This is a tired and ridiculous decree from people who obviously prefer the AFL over the NFL. For the people who refuse to accept that having only 2 of five opening day starters healthy along the Oline and hate the "conservative playcalling", watch the Lions, Bengals and Colts. They are far more exciting though with various degrees of a winning record. Even Manning has looked human with Tarek Glenn retired.
For those who are just waiting for the Philadelphia Soul to retake the field and would rather lose 49-48 than win 3-0, please just tune into the NBA or better yet play Madden 08 and tell all your friends that you could take the Dolphins to the SuperBowl if only you had the job.

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

I get sooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining in general. It's even more ignorant when we actually win the game and have a winning record of 4-2. But, that's just me.

[GMScud]

I don't know how to look up this stat, but has a team ever started 4-2 without a TD reception by a WR? We HAVE to get better at getting the ball downfield. It's really bad in that regard.

I know we have to keep Cooley in to block b/c of the line injuries, but how then did he end with 9 catches against GB? Why can't we get ANYTHING down the middle of the field? The running lanes aren't opening for us with the line in the shape that it's in. We need to get the passing game more involved. With 4 outta the next 5 on the road, we need more scoring.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

Oh, so it must be the running backs who fell off, not the offensive line play. When a team loses one starter it's a problem, when you lose 2, that's a pretty big deal. Wade is getting starter money? SO WHAT!!!! (when you add exclamation points, apparently that makes you right) He's not a very good tackle and Fabini used to start, that doesn't mean anything either. It's a bad idea to add depth because you anticipate guys missing entire seasons. Neither one of them is very good, you can see that by watching them play the game.

Somehow, I think that the injured offensive linemen might be keeping the offense from producing the way they could.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Oh, so it must be the running backs who fell off, not the offensive line play. When a team loses one starter it's a problem, when you lose 2, that's a pretty big deal. Wade is getting starter money? SO WHAT!!!! (when you add exclamation points, apparently that makes you right) He's not a very good tackle and Fabini used to start, that doesn't mean anything either. It's a bad idea to add depth because you anticipate guys missing entire seasons. Neither one of them is very good, you can see that by watching them play the game.

Somehow, I think that the injured offensive linemen might be keeping the offense from producing the way they could.

Ok, kill me. But i don't think the replacement OL hurt us that much. We couldn't have run against the Cards anway, and Gibbs would have tried anyway. Maybe we could have improved from 2.9 a carry to 3.2 yd a carry, but so what? Our running game makes a difference only when we pass imaginatively and mix it up successfully. We suck at vanilla. Somebody in charge is denying that reality. Cooley-- one reception (Holy Stupidity, Batman.)

To get ahead in a game seems to cue the wizards with the clipboards to shut down the offense so the other teams can catch us. For that reason alone, I think we'll play better offense against the Pats-- it not being likely we'll take a lead.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

They are dealing with it. The way they are dealing is by limiting exposure and playing to strengths. Thus, no 7 step drops hoping that the 3rd string guard can block a Pro Bowl DT who already had 6 sacks going into the game. If JC gets hurt would you expect Brunell to run the same plays or ones better suited to him? Injuries are no reason to complain about losses but they are a reason to alter gameplans.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

You know what, though? I listened to the injury report today and it sounds like every team is getting hit in multiple places. They specifically mentioned the Skins in that report, and mentioned we're facing New England next week. You know how many players they mentioned in the NE injury report?

None.

So yeah, it does happen to every team, but some teams also just seem to have a knack for avoiding the bug better than others.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by dgack

You know what, though? I listened to the injury report today and it sounds like every team is getting hit in multiple places. They specifically mentioned the Skins in that report, and mentioned we're facing New England next week. You know how many players they mentioned in the NE injury report?

None.

So yeah, it does happen to every team, but some teams also just seem to have a knack for avoiding the bug better than others.

A good part of the year NE has been playing w/out Seymour who is one of the best D-linemen in the NFL. Also they played w/out Harrison for 4 games and they also were w/out Maroney for several weeks.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

A good part of the year NE has been playing w/out Seymour who is one of the best D-linemen in the NFL. Also they played w/out Harrison for 4 games and they also were w/out Maroney for several weeks.

Harrison used to be a stud, but he is definitely on the downside of his career. Sammy Morris has been more productive than Maroney, similar to how Betts stepped in for Portis last year. I don't think those situations really equate to some of the other injury scenarios other teams have faced.

And hasn't Seymour been injury-plagued his whole career, a la John Abraham?

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

A good part of the year NE has been playing w/out Seymour who is one of the best D-linemen in the NFL. Also they played w/out Harrison for 4 games and they also were w/out Maroney for several weeks.

Dude, you refuted your own argument. Injuries are not injuries. The Skins have lost two starting offensive linemen for the year and then Wade got hurt last week and was playing with an injured groin this week. Rabach went down last week and didn't play. Pete Kendall is apparently dealing with a hamstring problem and played at less than 100%. So the Skins played with two of the five guys they started the year with and two of the five that did play were playing hurt. If you lose a d-lineman, an RB, and a safety that hurts (but not to the Pats) but if you lose freaking three offensive linemen that f's up your whole offense. Show me another team playing with a patchwork line like the Skins? Oh yeah, the 0-7 Rams and the Ravens. Either of those offenses doing anything at all? The o-line makes the whole thing go man and you lose all those players and it changes everything on offense.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Dude, you refuted your own argument. Injuries are not injuries. The Skins have lost two starting offensive linemen for the year and then Wade got hurt last week and was playing with an injured groin this week. Rabach went down last week and didn't play. Pete Kendall is apparently dealing with a hamstring problem and played at less than 100%. So the Skins played with two of the five guys they started the year with and two of the five that did play were playing hurt. If you lose a d-lineman, an RB, and a safety that hurts (but not to the Pats) but if you lose freaking three offensive linemen that f's up your whole offense. Show me another team playing with a patchwork line like the Skins? Oh yeah, the 0-7 Rams and the Ravens. Either of those offenses doing anything at all? The o-line makes the whole thing go man and you lose all those players and it changes everything on offense.

Finally! Someone who gets it! Good post! :thumb:

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Dude, you refuted your own argument. Injuries are not injuries. The Skins have lost two starting offensive linemen for the year and then Wade got hurt last week and was playing with an injured groin this week. Rabach went down last week and didn't play. Pete Kendall is apparently dealing with a hamstring problem and played at less than 100%. So the Skins played with two of the five guys they started the year with and two of the five that did play were playing hurt. If you lose a d-lineman, an RB, and a safety that hurts (but not to the Pats) but if you lose freaking three offensive linemen that f's up your whole offense. Show me another team playing with a patchwork line like the Skins? Oh yeah, the 0-7 Rams and the Ravens. Either of those offenses doing anything at all? The o-line makes the whole thing go man and you lose all those players and it changes everything on offense.

So do you think the gameplan the offensive coaches had today is going to work next week?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

Banged up? Um we were without 3/5 of our starters, That is more than banged up. To be 4-2 with our line issues is remarkable I think. What is particularly weird about your statement is the whole Fabini used to be a starte thing. So what? Sammy Baugh used to kick everyones' ass at like 4 different positions. Doesn't mean he can do it today. Fabini is awful. He did't used to be but now he is. He is no better than a spot duty guy and he is starting for us now. Sometimes excuses are simply reality.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by rypper11

My predicted score was off a little but my Warpath prediction was right on. Bitching from the masses about "conservitive gamecalling" and "Gibbs and Saunders holding JC back" even though we win. I am so tired of so-called fans crying that they want wide open offense and a completely stifling Defense. Of course JC should be able to throw for 300 yards a game and Portis run for another 200 because that's what they do on Madden 08 every week. "Take the handcuffs off JC" and "open up the offense". This is a tired and ridiculous decree from people who obviously prefer the AFL over the NFL. For the people who refuse to accept that having only 2 of five opening day starters healthy along the Oline and hate the "conservative playcalling", watch the Lions, Bengals and Colts. They are far more exciting though with various degrees of a winning record. Even Manning has looked human with Tarek Glenn retired.
For those who are just waiting for the Philadelphia Soul to retake the field and would rather lose 49-48 than win 3-0, please just tune into the NBA or better yet play Madden 08 and tell all your friends that you could take the Dolphins to the SuperBowl if only you had the job.

You're missing the point. Yes, the Skins won, but with yet another lead at the half, they had their asses handed to them in the 2nd half, and were extremely fortunate to win. What you, me, and every Skins fan wants to see is reasonable progress and production from the offense. Three 3 and outs in the last three posessions with the game on the line just won't get it done most weeks. It was obvious that the power running game wasn't working, and the Cards weren't respecting anything deep, so why not go to three and four WR sets to spread the field? Maybe open up more running lanes that way. Something, anything, show us a little creativity when the original plan isn't working. To me, it appears that we're coaching scared on offense. Thank God for Gregg Williams D, but even that won't be enough against the Pats if Gibbs is content to play for a 17-14 game.