What's your defnition of 'conservative playcalling'?

[offiss]

The offensive line is the heart of a football team, it provides a running game, it provides time for the passing game, and it allows you over all to sustain drives which keeps your defense off the field and fresh, the problem is we have IMO overrated our line we are not good run blockers, we do not have a line that knocks people off the LOS, they have to be utilized differently, as in draws, traps, screens, slant passes, our line is like a boxer who doesn't have one punch knock out power, he has to ware down his opponent in order to knock him out later in the match, I think Gibbs is stuck in a time warp believing he can run the same type of plays he did in his first tenure now, 1 problem, he doesn't have the hogs to knock guys off the LOS, he needs to figure out another way to move the ball to ware teams down, even with a healthy line. He has neglected building depth through the draft at the O-line position as if it is an after thought when it should be his top priority. So cutting Gibbs some slack right now because of a banged up line is definitely justifiable, but his lack of attention to bringing in some real horses for that line rests on him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

The offensive line is the heart of a football team, it provides a running game, it provides time for the passing game, and it allows you over all to sustain drives which keeps your defense off the field and fresh, the problem is we have IMO overrated our line we are not good run blockers, we do not have a line that knocks people off the LOS, they have to be utilized differently, as in draws, traps, screens, slant passes, our line is like a boxer who doesn't have one punch knock out power, he has to ware down his opponent in order to knock him out later in the match, I think Gibbs is stuck in a time warp believing he can run the same type of plays he did in his first tenure now, 1 problem, he doesn't have the hogs to knock guys off the LOS, he needs to figure out another way to move the ball to ware teams down, even with a healthy line. He has neglected building depth through the draft at the O-line position as if it is an after thought when it should be his top priority. So cutting Gibbs some slack right because of a banged up line is definitely justifiable, but his lack of attention to bringing in some real horses for that line rests on him.

When guys were healthy last year we didn't have any problems running the ball, same in 2005. So I'm really not sure where you're going here.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

When guys were healthy last year we didn't have any problems running the ball, same in 2005. So I'm really not sure where you're going here.

I am, when ever we have a situation that we need to run the ball we can't, put all the stats out the window, kind of like our goal line running against the Giants when we had 1st and goal inside the 5 and a healthy line, as usual when a team commits to stopping the run against us we can't do anything, sorry but what we are doing is just not working we need to adapt another type of philosophy on offense, it may not have to be drastic but something has to change, we have as much talent as anyone and do less with it than most.

IMO we have to throw much more and be successful to open up the defense, shorten the routes if protection is not adequate but it has to force the defense to change to stop us, once that takes place you are dictating to the defense rather than them to us, then you can hit them with quick draws and screens, which neither will work without a legitimate, consistent passing game. IMO the players are there to accomplish this but the coaches have to be able to adjust and utilize whats there.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

IMO we have to throw much more and be successful to open up the defense, shorten the routes if protection is not adequate but it has to force the defense to change to stop us, once that takes place you are dictating to the defense rather than them to us, then you can hit them with quick draws and screens, which neither will work without a legitimate, consistent passing game. IMO the players are there to accomplish this but the coaches have to be able to adjust and utilize whats there.

I actually do agree that we need to throw the ball more than we did against Arizona. But, I don't think our offense's performance against Arizona is representative of how this team's offense has performed this season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

The offensive line is the heart of a football team, it provides a running game, it provides time for the passing game, and it allows you over all to sustain drives which keeps your defense off the field and fresh, the problem is we have IMO overrated our line we are not good run blockers, we do not have a line that knocks people off the LOS, they have to be utilized differently, as in draws, traps, screens, slant passes, our line is like a boxer who doesn't have one punch knock out power, he has to ware down his opponent in order to knock him out later in the match, I think Gibbs is stuck in a time warp believing he can run the same type of plays he did in his first tenure now, 1 problem, he doesn't have the hogs to knock guys off the LOS, he needs to figure out another way to move the ball to ware teams down, even with a healthy line. He has neglected building depth through the draft at the O-line position as if it is an after thought when it should be his top priority. So cutting Gibbs some slack right now because of a banged up line is definitely justifiable, but his lack of attention to bringing in some real horses for that line rests on him.

I agree that we overrated our line in the past, but the past is pretty much irrelevant when only 1 guy on the line was relevant in the past...and he's probably even better.

I didn't think we'd be too much better than middle of the road when healthy, but you can't say that these injuries aren't killing us.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by offiss

He has neglected building depth through the draft at the O-line position as if it is an after thought when it should be his top priority. So cutting Gibbs some slack right now because of a banged up line is definitely justifiable, but his lack of attention to bringing in some real horses for that line rests on him.

What people seem to forget is Wade, Heyer, and Fabini were all backups at the beginning of the season, and if they were still backups now, I'd personally be very happy with the O line depth. Wade and Heyer specifically, are probably better than most teams third and fourth offensive tackles, but when they both go down with injuries in a game, it's just plain bad luck, and nearly impossible to prepare for.