Classless Coach Belichick

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

your right art monk, it was only 17-0, my bad . . . well i stand by my moss pushing off statement (even though all the great wrs do it)!!!!

I'm just mad that we actually fell for that. I'm not as mad as I am at the fact that our defense seemed to be the only one's watching the game who didn't realize that Vrabel was going to slip out into the endzone, but mad nonetheless.

[Defensewins]

While I understand the sensitive nature of this subject after such a humiliating and humbling blow out, but we should never expect other teams and people to behave as we do. The Patriots are NOT show boats, big mouths, arrogant ass holes, or bully's that constantly start fights on the field. In fact they are the opposite. While they did run up the score....who cares. Tell me where in the world is there a etiquette rule about not running up the score? This is football not etiquette school.
In fact I am tired of hearing about the Pats disrespecting us. They did not. They kicked our asses fair and square and we do not have the talent to do anything about it.
We need a real GM.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I'd really like someone to try to argue with the following:

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. If they had some other purpose in running up the score, please do tell. If they did not have some other purpose in running up the score, does that show not only stupidity for risking injury to players and a lack of class?

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'd really like someone to try to argue with the following:

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. If they had some other purpose in running up the score, please do tell. If they did not have some other purpose in running up the score, does that show not only stupidity for risking injury to players and a lack of class?

This is a Sport. They can do what ever they want with in the rules of the game. Are you saying they can not?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This is a Sport. They can do what ever they want with in the rules of the game. Are you saying they can not?

That wasn't the point. No one is saying what they cannot do or have a responsibility to do, it is what they should and should not do. BTW, I still didn't hear anyone take issue with my argument (the one you quoted).

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

That wasn't the point. No one is saying what they cannot do or have a responsibility to do, it is what they should and should not do. BTW, I still didn't hear anyone take issue with my argument (the one you quoted).

He does not need a "purpose". He can do what ever he wants to do with in the rules. What problem do have with that?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This is a Sport. They can do what ever they want with in the rules of the game. Are you saying they can not?

Right. So let's just throw out all good sense, compassion, respect, and class; all because it's "a sport". I don't know about you, but no matter what I'm doing -- whether it be my job, or a sport -- I will always adhere to my principles. It seems you (and a lot of others) are arguing that it's acceptable to disregard your conscience simply because you are getting paid to win. So sad. That's the purest form of being a "sell-out".

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'd really like someone to try to argue with the following:

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. If they had some other purpose in running up the score, please do tell. If they did not have some other purpose in running up the score, does that show not only stupidity for risking injury to players and a lack of class?

Wow. So many different ways to go here...

First, I disagree with your premise that Bill Belichick ran up the score. He didn't. He sent his backup quarterback out there when the game was well in hand, and Cassel still scored a touchdown. So it really wasn't Bill Belichick. It was Matt Cassel doing what he's supposed to do.

What purpose did he serve? Well, let's see... as a head coach, his job is to lead the team to victory. Not to show "humility" as some have argued. And you call it "needless". Didn't the Detroit Lions just set an NFL record by scoring 34 points in the fourth quarter this year against the Bears?

A player "risks injury" each time he steps foot on the field, no matter what the score is.

A football game is 60 minutes long. Nowhere is it written that you're supposed to stop scoring ( you call that 'running up the score' ) after a team is ahead by a certain number of points or after you're at a certain point in the game.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Wow. So many different ways to go here...

First, I disagree with your premise that Bill Belichick ran up the score. He didn't. He sent his backup quarterback out there when the game was well in hand, and Cassel still scored a touchdown. So it really wasn't Bill Belichick. It was Matt Cassel doing what he's supposed to do..

Yeah, because it wasn't obvious by midway through the 3rd quarter that we were going to lose. Did you really think we had any chance in hell to win the game after midway through the 3rd quarter? If so, pass the joint because I've been looking for some good s--t.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

What purpose did he serve? Well, let's see... as a head coach, his job is to lead the team to victory. Not to show "humility" as some have argued. And you call it "needless". Didn't the Detroit Lions just set an NFL record by scoring 34 points in the fourth quarter this year against the Bears?

See my above response.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

A player "risks injury" each time he steps foot on the field, no matter what the score is.

A football game is 60 minutes long. Nowhere is it written that you're supposed to stop scoring ( you call that 'running up the score' ) after a team is ahead by a certain number of points or after you're at a certain point in the game.

Unless you disagree with my points above, then Belichick needlessly exposed his players to injury. He did it for some other reason than to win.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Yeah, because it wasn't obvious by midway through the 3rd quarter that we were going to lose. Did you really think we had any chance in hell to win the game after midway through the 3rd quarter? If so, pass the joint because I've been looking for some good s--t.



See my above response.



Unless you disagree with my points above, then Belichick needlessly exposed his players to injury. He did it for some other reason than to win.

I didn't think we had a chance after their first drive. I know that sounds bad but after they marched down the field I knew even if we managed to slow them down our O could not keep up.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Yeah, because it wasn't obvious by midway through the 3rd quarter that we were going to lose. Did you really think we had any chance in hell to win the game after midway through the 3rd quarter? If so, pass the joint because I've been looking for some good s--t.



See my above response.



Unless you disagree with my points above, then Belichick needlessly exposed his players to injury. He did it for some other reason than to win.

I can't get inside Bill Belichick's brain. If you can, congrats. And I want some of your sh*t.

We can say now that we weren't going to score 34 points in one quarter because it didn't happen. Did Bill Belichick know that at the time? He probably thought it was unlikely, but at the time, anything could have happened. Do you think Dan Reeves thought it was likely that Doug Williams would have led his team to 35 points in the second quarter of Super Bowl XXII?

You say it was needless to leave his starters in at a point in time different than Bill Belichick. And you say that equates to running up the score.

Fine. I guess we disagree. I'd love to go on and on endlessly with this, but my lunch hour is long over.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Wow. So many different ways to go here...

First, I disagree with your premise that Bill Belichick ran up the score. He didn't. He sent his backup quarterback out there when the game was well in hand, and Cassel still scored a touchdown. So it really wasn't Bill Belichick. It was Matt Cassel doing what he's supposed to do.

I really don't think anyone is saying that Matt Cassel scoring is running up the score. However, keeping Tom Brady, the clear cut league MVP to date, in late in the 4th quarter of a (at that point) 38-0 game and having him go for it on 4th down when they could have easily just kicked a field goal is running up the score.
Sure, the backup should try to score so they can prove what they're capable of, but Brady doesn't need to prove shit.

What purpose did he serve? Well, let's see... as a head coach, his job is to lead the team to victory. Not to show "humility" as some have argued. And you call it "needless". Didn't the Detroit Lions just set an NFL record by scoring 34 points in the fourth quarter this year against the Bears?

You're right, a comeback is a concern. But, prior to them going for it on 4th we had fumbled the ball in three straight possessions. Also, they were averaging something like 7 yards a carry and there were only like 8 minutes left in the game so they could have easily run the clock out.
Also, if we did show some signs of life they could have just put brady back in like they did in Miami.

A player "risks injury" each time he steps foot on the field, no matter what the score is.

Was it worth the injury risk to have Brady in there with a 38-0 lead in the 4th quarter?

A football game is 60 minutes long. Nowhere is it written that you're supposed to stop scoring ( you call that 'running up the score' ) after a team is ahead by a certain number of points or after you're at a certain point in the game.

Like we've been saying, it's one of those unwritten rules that we really should have enforced late in he game with a huge blind side hit to brady after he threw that his meaningless last touchdown. Too bad we didn't.

[Hail2em]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'd really like someone to try to argue with the following:

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. If they had some other purpose in running up the score, please do tell. If they did not have some other purpose in running up the score, does that show not only stupidity for risking injury to players and a lack of class?

quit f@@@@@ complaining. you're the one acting like you're 12. the game is over...been over and you're still bitchin about it. lmao...yeah im lmao because this is funny shit.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Hail2em

quit f@@@@@ complaining. you're the one acting like you're 12. the game is over...been over and you're still bitchin about it. lmao...yeah im lmao because this is funny shit.

This is a forum. We discuss things here -- good and bad. That's why this place was created. Usually we talk about the last game, until the next one comes along. Just because the game is over means nothing.

Why don't you just leave?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'd really like someone to try to argue with the following:

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. If they had some other purpose in running up the score, please do tell. If they did not have some other purpose in running up the score, does that show not only stupidity for risking injury to players and a lack of class?

Here's Belichicks reasoning:

The reason he was up 30 some points in the third quarter is because the Redskins made a bunch of mistakes. Belichick is a football coach. He is not responsible for his opponents mistakes. He is only responsible for making sure that his team executes in every faze of the game. They had not successfully executed a deep passing game against us until that point.

Score be damned. Belichick doesn't care if he's up 38-0. If his 1st team offense has failed in a facet of the game, he's going to work until they fix it. That's what he did. He was fixing prior mistakes for the game. I cannot fault him for doing his job better than anyone else.

Did he run up the score? Yes he did. Does he care that he ran up the score? No he does not. Was he trying to embarass the Redskins? No he was not.

If he was trying to embarass the Redskins, this would be a different issue. Being a perfectionist and striving for excellence is something totally different however.