Time for the Jets

[The Zimmermans]

Let's see

All the turnovers by Campbell were on third and longs. and yes. i watched us throw maybe one pass beyond the line of scrimmage to a receiver all game....and it was to James Thrash

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Let's see

All the turnovers by Campbell were on third and longs. and yes. i watched us throw maybe one pass beyond the line of scrimmage to a receiver all game....and it was to TRASH

You're still incorrect, but you just made a completely different statement that your last post. You made it sound like Washington didn't pass at all on first and second down.

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

You're still incorrect, but you just made a completely different statement that your last post. You made it sound like Washington didn't pass at all on first and second down.

Your defending a bad offense that is one-dimensional. I wanted them to let JC throw downfield on first and second down against the Jets. And you argued and said I didnt watch the game???? We have no WR TD's, I'm sorry you love Al saunders....but he's 9-14

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Your defending a bad offense that is one-dimensional. I wanted them to let JC throw downfield on first and second down against the Jets. And you argued and said I didnt watch the game???? We have no WR TD's, I'm sorry you love Al saunders....but he's 9-14

With 80% of the offensive line out or playing hurt, I actually think this team is zero dimensional, but I also respect the way the coaches were trying to attack the Patriots. They were trying to keep the Pats offense off the field with sustained drives. Going for quick strikes against that team is just stupid. Their offensive execution is far better than Washington's and they basically score whenever they feel like it.

The gameplan itself isn't the problem, it's the execution, and the execution is being effected by a ridiculous number of injuries. How the hell can the finger be pointed at Al Saunders or even Coach Gibbs for that matter, when the entire offense outside of Cooley, Samuels, and Campbell have missed time, or been playing banged up?

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

With 80% of the offensive line out or playing hurt, I actually think this team is zero dimensional, but I also respect the way the coaches were trying to attack the Patriots. They were trying to keep the Pats offense off the field with sustained drives. Going for quick strikes against that team is just stupid. Their offensive execution is far better than Washington's and they basically score whenever they feel like it.

The gameplan itself isn't the problem, it's the execution, and the execution is being effected by a ridiculous number of injuries. How the hell can the finger be pointed at Al Saunders or even Coach Gibbs for that matter, when the entire offense outside of Cooley, Samuels, and Campbell have missed time, or been playing banged up?

Yes, and that gameplan killed the morale of the team and fans cause it resulted in ZERO actual points. What is Campbell supposed to think when we score 7 points in garbage time. ZERO success on offense due to the conservatism. Nothing for JC to build on. Yes, the execution sucks, but that is because the patriots knew what we were gonna call on each separate down.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Yes, and that gameplan killed the morale of the team and fans cause it resulted in ZERO actual points. What is Campbell supposed to think when we score 7 points in garbage time. ZERO success on offense due to the conservatism. Nothing for JC to build on. Yes, the execution sucks, but that is because the patriots knew what we were gonna call on each separate down.

It's not possible to "know" what we are going to call. If teams guessed like that, we would have beaten them bad about half the time.

My only problem with the calls is when they are called as plays that just won't work. Like 3rd and three out routes into a non existant window on the sideline.

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's not possible to "know" what we are going to call. If teams guessed like that, we would have beaten them bad about half the time.

My only problem with the calls is when they are called as plays that just won't work. Like 3rd and three out routes into a non existant window on the sideline.

yeah, passing the ball short to cooley is OK cause he's big and picks up extra yards regardless. But the receiver routes need to be passed the LOS. Jason's timing has not been perfected, so those short routes wont work. Especially when we fail to stretch the field. We need more receivers lined up if we want the short routes to work.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

With 80% of the offensive line out or playing hurt, I actually think this team is zero dimensional, but I also respect the way the coaches were trying to attack the Patriots. They were trying to keep the Pats offense off the field with sustained drives. Going for quick strikes against that team is just stupid. Their offensive execution is far better than Washington's and they basically score whenever they feel like it.

The gameplan itself isn't the problem, it's the execution, and the execution is being effected by a ridiculous number of injuries. How the hell can the finger be pointed at Al Saunders or even Coach Gibbs for that matter, when the entire offense outside of Cooley, Samuels, and Campbell have missed time, or been playing banged up?

I think it's probably because of what Gibbs and Saunders have done with virtual nobodies. Gibbs led a team of scabs led by a prison inmate at QB to a 3-0 record. Saunders had the best offenses in the NFL with Marc Boeritger and Eddie Kennison as his top two wide receivers.

I don't agree with the sentiment that all the blame should be laid at the feet of Saunders and Gibbs. But I imagine this is what upsets some people. And there are others who just like to be upset.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think it's probably because of what Gibbs and Saunders have done with virtual nobodies. Gibbs led a team of scabs led by a prison inmate at QB to a 3-0 record. Saunders had the best offenses in the NFL with Marc Boeritger and Eddie Kennison as his top two wide receivers.

I don't agree with the sentiment that all the blame should be laid at the feet of Saunders and Gibbs. But I imagine this is what upsets some people. And there are others who just like to be upset.

I don't disagree with the idea that the offense should be more productive at this point in Gibbs and Saunders respective tenures, but to discount the insane amount of injuries this team has faced, like they're inconsequential, is just ridiculous to me.

And to be fair, Saunders' KC offense had one of the better offensive lines in football, and arguably one of the best one/two punch's ever with Holmes and Johnson.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Let's see

All the turnovers by Campbell were on third and longs. and yes. i watched us throw maybe one pass beyond the line of scrimmage to a receiver all game....and it was to TRASH

C'mon at least have some respect. I don't care who it is, it's not cool to disrespect the guy's name. Thrash has always been a guy known for busting his tail.

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

C'mon at least have some respect. I don't care who it is, it's not cool to disrespect the guy's name. Thrash has always been a guy known for busting his tail.

Yes randy moss is lazy, lloyd is lazy, thrash fights his guts out. But you cannot ignore talent and playmaking ability. Lloyd should be in on third down passing situations to offer a threat. Thrash is a special teamer and decent blocker.

Sorry for trashing his name. I got heated on the play when we tried to go deep to him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Yes randy moss is lazy, lloyd is lazy, thrash fights his guts out. But you cannot ignore talent and playmaking ability. Lloyd should be in on third down passing situations to offer a threat. Thrash is a special teamer and decent blocker.

Sorry for trashing his name. I got heated on the play when we tried to go deep to him.

Don't confuse Brandon Lloyd for a threat. Receiving threats have to catch the ball.