Time for the Jets

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Your defending a bad offense that is one-dimensional. I wanted them to let JC throw downfield on first and second down against the Jets. And you argued and said I didnt watch the game???? We have no WR TD's, I'm sorry you love Al saunders....but he's 9-14

With 80% of the offensive line out or playing hurt, I actually think this team is zero dimensional, but I also respect the way the coaches were trying to attack the Patriots. They were trying to keep the Pats offense off the field with sustained drives. Going for quick strikes against that team is just stupid. Their offensive execution is far better than Washington's and they basically score whenever they feel like it.

The gameplan itself isn't the problem, it's the execution, and the execution is being effected by a ridiculous number of injuries. How the hell can the finger be pointed at Al Saunders or even Coach Gibbs for that matter, when the entire offense outside of Cooley, Samuels, and Campbell have missed time, or been playing banged up?

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

With 80% of the offensive line out or playing hurt, I actually think this team is zero dimensional, but I also respect the way the coaches were trying to attack the Patriots. They were trying to keep the Pats offense off the field with sustained drives. Going for quick strikes against that team is just stupid. Their offensive execution is far better than Washington's and they basically score whenever they feel like it.

The gameplan itself isn't the problem, it's the execution, and the execution is being effected by a ridiculous number of injuries. How the hell can the finger be pointed at Al Saunders or even Coach Gibbs for that matter, when the entire offense outside of Cooley, Samuels, and Campbell have missed time, or been playing banged up?

Yes, and that gameplan killed the morale of the team and fans cause it resulted in ZERO actual points. What is Campbell supposed to think when we score 7 points in garbage time. ZERO success on offense due to the conservatism. Nothing for JC to build on. Yes, the execution sucks, but that is because the patriots knew what we were gonna call on each separate down.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Yes, and that gameplan killed the morale of the team and fans cause it resulted in ZERO actual points. What is Campbell supposed to think when we score 7 points in garbage time. ZERO success on offense due to the conservatism. Nothing for JC to build on. Yes, the execution sucks, but that is because the patriots knew what we were gonna call on each separate down.

It's not possible to "know" what we are going to call. If teams guessed like that, we would have beaten them bad about half the time.

My only problem with the calls is when they are called as plays that just won't work. Like 3rd and three out routes into a non existant window on the sideline.

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's not possible to "know" what we are going to call. If teams guessed like that, we would have beaten them bad about half the time.

My only problem with the calls is when they are called as plays that just won't work. Like 3rd and three out routes into a non existant window on the sideline.

yeah, passing the ball short to cooley is OK cause he's big and picks up extra yards regardless. But the receiver routes need to be passed the LOS. Jason's timing has not been perfected, so those short routes wont work. Especially when we fail to stretch the field. We need more receivers lined up if we want the short routes to work.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

yeah, passing the ball short to cooley is OK cause he's big and picks up extra yards regardless. But the receiver routes need to be passed the LOS. Jason's timing has not been perfected, so those short routes wont work. Especially when we fail to stretch the field. We need more receivers lined up if we want the short routes to work.

Again, though, this is a major rarity.

By blaming Saunders and Gibbs for this, we are really badly nitpicking. Yes, there are things they could be doing better, but don't we as fans have better stuff to do than talk about the calls. It's not like these calls are serious issues or anything.

Well, except the third and short crap.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

With 80% of the offensive line out or playing hurt, I actually think this team is zero dimensional, but I also respect the way the coaches were trying to attack the Patriots. They were trying to keep the Pats offense off the field with sustained drives. Going for quick strikes against that team is just stupid. Their offensive execution is far better than Washington's and they basically score whenever they feel like it.

The gameplan itself isn't the problem, it's the execution, and the execution is being effected by a ridiculous number of injuries. How the hell can the finger be pointed at Al Saunders or even Coach Gibbs for that matter, when the entire offense outside of Cooley, Samuels, and Campbell have missed time, or been playing banged up?

I think it's probably because of what Gibbs and Saunders have done with virtual nobodies. Gibbs led a team of scabs led by a prison inmate at QB to a 3-0 record. Saunders had the best offenses in the NFL with Marc Boeritger and Eddie Kennison as his top two wide receivers.

I don't agree with the sentiment that all the blame should be laid at the feet of Saunders and Gibbs. But I imagine this is what upsets some people. And there are others who just like to be upset.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think it's probably because of what Gibbs and Saunders have done with virtual nobodies. Gibbs led a team of scabs led by a prison inmate at QB to a 3-0 record. Saunders had the best offenses in the NFL with Marc Boeritger and Eddie Kennison as his top two wide receivers.

I don't agree with the sentiment that all the blame should be laid at the feet of Saunders and Gibbs. But I imagine this is what upsets some people. And there are others who just like to be upset.

I don't disagree with the idea that the offense should be more productive at this point in Gibbs and Saunders respective tenures, but to discount the insane amount of injuries this team has faced, like they're inconsequential, is just ridiculous to me.

And to be fair, Saunders' KC offense had one of the better offensive lines in football, and arguably one of the best one/two punch's ever with Holmes and Johnson.