Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

To repeat what has been repeated many times before, Champ Bailey was not going to stay in D.C. He told the coaches that they HAD to leave D.C. So, we can complain about losing Bailey all we want, but it was going to happen anyways. And, I distinctly remember everyone being estatic when Portis came to town. Finally, the guy totalled more than 3,000 yards in his first two seasons in D.C. and broke the franchise rushing record. So, I have no reason why people still insist on complaining about the trade.

Everyone?????

The fact is and I am going to sum this whole debate up here and now, Portis is nothing more than a third down change of pace type back, or a big time back in Denver take your pick, I believe Portis's problem now is the fact that he starting to realize he wasnt as good as he, or a lot of others thought he was coming out of Denver, now he has his tail between his legs because he knows he can not take the pounding of tough running. He needs to be with Denver where he can run in space for big gains, like when he amassed almost 500 yds and 7-8 TD's against none existent defenses like he did against KC twice a year when he was in Denver. We were had by Shanahan, he saw Gibbs coming a mile away, just like the Jags and Brunell.

As for Bailey, yes he wanted out but we were under no obligation to give him away as we did, we could have franchised him, received 2 #1 picks, and kept our 2nd rd pick we threw in with the Portis deal, that would have brought back a whole lot of talent if utilized properly, lets start with a RB in that draft by the name of Stephen Jackson, I think he would have fit in with Gibbs type of pound the ball running game, we could have drafted some O-linemen to help him out as well with all those picks, maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess right now with our o-line if we properly addressed it and built real quality depth. What am I thinking Portis is worth all that and more, now I am making myself laugh!

3 words for Portis, DENVER, SYSTEM, BACK!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

Everyone?????

The fact is and I am going to sum this whole debate up here and now, Portis is nothing more than a third down change of pace type back, or a big time back in Denver take your pick, I believe Portis's problem now is the fact that he starting to realize he wasnt as good as he, or a lot of others thought he was coming out of Denver, now he has his tail between his legs because he knows he can not take the pounding of tough running. He needs to be with Denver where he can run in space for big gains, like when he amassed almost 500 yds and 7-8 TD's against none existent defenses like he did against KC twice a year when he was in Denver. We were had by Shanahan, he saw Gibbs coming a mile away, just like the Jags and Brunell.

As for Bailey, yes he wanted out but we were under no obligation to give him away as we did, we could have franchised him, received 2 #1 picks, and kept our 2nd rd pick we threw in with the Portis deal, that would have brought back a whole lot of talent if utilized properly, lets start with a RB in that draft by the name of Stephen Jackson, I think he would have fit in with Gibbs type of pound the ball running game, we could have drafted some O-linemen to help him out as well with all those picks, maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess right now with our o-line if we properly addressed it and built real quality depth. What am I thinking Portis is worth all that and more, now I am making myself laugh!

3 words for Portis, DENVER, SYSTEM, BACK!

First, I don't know of many 3rd down backs who have racked up 3,000+ yards in Denver in 2 years and 2,800+ yards in Washington in 2 years.

Second, I stand corrected. You were among the minority who opposed the Portis trade. But you were also the same guy who cited Tatum Bell as evidence that we got hosed in the Portis trade and for the proposition that Portis is a system back. http://http://www.redskinswarpath.co...tis#post113951How is Tatum Bell doing these days? Didn't the Broncos have to sign some big-name back even though they can just plug guys like Quentin Griffin into the lineup? How is Quentin Griffin doing these days?

Third, who offered us 2 1st rounders for Bailey? Or are you making that up?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

First, I don't know of many 3rd down backs who have racked up 3,000+ yards in Denver in 2 years and 2,800+ yards in Washington in 2 years.

Second, I stand corrected. You were among the minority who opposed the Portis trade. But you were also the same guy who cited Tatum Bell as evidence that we got hosed in the Portis trade and for the proposition that Portis is a system back. http://http://www.redskinswarpath.co...tis#post113951How is Tatum Bell doing these days? Didn't the Broncos have to sign some big-name back even though they can just plug guys like Quentin Griffin into the lineup? How is Quentin Griffin doing these days?

Third, who offered us 2 1st rounders for Bailey? Or are you making that up?

Please, to address your first point, your right not many backs in Denver were even qualified to be third down back's in this league, but they rack up 1500 yards running there only to be never heard from again once they leave. That should tell you what that system is to an average back, Take a look at Portis's numbers against the Chiefs alone when he was in Denver he compiled astronomical numbers against them and remember they couldn't stop anyone. You may not know this but I wanted us to draft Portis ahead of Betts but Denver nailed him a few spots ahead of us, I thought he would make an excellent change of pace back who could give you big play ability but would be a 10 to 15 carry a game type back, my biggest complaint about Portis is really not his fault, I can't blame the guy for taking 52 mil to play for us I know I would have, the problem is our stupidity of not recognizing what he really is, not to mention Gibbs really needed a big back to play smash mouth football, yes gibbs in the past has had a lot of success with smaller backs but it was always as I pointed out limited situational type backs, Portis has proven he can't take the beating game to game.

As for Tatum, I was never a big fan of Tatum Bell, but I did use him as an example of what a basic nobody like Bell can do in that system, he kicked our ass when we went there and out played Portis, my point with Bell was Denver can plug in and average at best back and make him look great even Bell, heck they made Ron Dayne look like a decent back and he's horrible. Portis on the other hand had talent which was perfect for Denver, a very fast RB who could take the ball to the house, look at his yards per carry since he's arrived he's gone backwards since Denver, he's still young he just is not a smash mouth type RB, he needs to be used in space and we really don't do that.

You cited 2 X-Denver backs and asked how they are doing? Does anyone really know, or care? But you forgot one more that they got rid of, Clinton Portis, how's he doing these day's?

As for Bailey, my point about the draft picks was we were going to franchise him which will render 2 #1 picks to whom ever signs him which someone would have paid, Bailey as you well know is highly regarded as the top CB in the league, at least at that time he was. We never franchised him that I can remember to actually obtain offers but I don't think I am being outlandish in saying we would have received top price [2#1's] if we did franchise him, so I based those picks on the assumption that he would have brought back a nice draft, I believe I would have been right in assuming that, but you never know?