Classless Coach Belichick

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL send what message?

That you want to cut valuable depth over a comment to the media?

Really smart.

Khary Cambell has been here for several years and he knows the defense. Godfrey was sitting at home doing nothing before the Skins called. He isn't that valuable.

I don't want a guy who cries to the other coach cause you just got the living shit beat out of you. He cried to BB and then he cried to the media. He looks like a soft little bitch. Total 100% pussy. Yes I would cut him.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

It's not Belichick's job to show humility. Suppose he does nothing but call running plays and puts the scrubs in? If the third-string halfback breaks a run, should carry the torch of humility and kneel down before crossing into the endzone?

Sure, it's nobody's JOB to show humility. Nobody get's paid to do that, and it's not a law. So, nobody has to show humility ever. I get that. I just think humans SHOULD be more considerate. You obviously don't. Do you ever hold the door open for somebody? Do you ever let another car into your lane? Probably not, since you obviously don't value human compassion.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Don't forget, Belichick did exactly what you asked by pulling Brady and putting in Cassel. Admittedly, it apparently didn't happen at the point in the game which would have met your approval -- what's that point by the way? Is it 5 minutes to go? 10 minutes? And by what margin of score? What's that magical point when one passes from the "humility zone" and into mean-spiritedness? On that touchdown run, should Cassel have carried out Belichick's "humility" and run out of bounds?

Oh, I see. Since you can't argue why it is okay to humiliate people, you will just come at me with a bunch of crap. Obviously there is no way to quantify embarrassment, so you just ask a question that can't be answered. Good argument. It's one of those gray areas. It's subjective. Don't ask me to objectify it, because it can't be done. It's just one of those things you have to use your judgment on. I can't say where the line is, but that doesn't mean that I don't know when it's been crossed.

So he put in Cassell with 5 minutes left. Do you think that is evidence of BB's humility?

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Being humiliated is nobody's fault but the person who feels that way. No professional football player has a responsibility to refrain from doing his job to ensure his opponent isn't humiliated.

So, if you say something that offends another person it's their fault for getting offended? You played no role in hurting their feelings? I would guess that you don't care about anyone.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'd really like someone to try to argue with the following:

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. If they had some other purpose in running up the score, please do tell. If they did not have some other purpose in running up the score, does that show not only stupidity for risking injury to players and a lack of class?

This is a Sport. They can do what ever they want with in the rules of the game. Are you saying they can not?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This is a Sport. They can do what ever they want with in the rules of the game. Are you saying they can not?

That wasn't the point. No one is saying what they cannot do or have a responsibility to do, it is what they should and should not do. BTW, I still didn't hear anyone take issue with my argument (the one you quoted).

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Your right. I saw Tom J. and Steve Y on ESPN saying "it was wrong" and "you don't need to do that." So there are two sides.

I just think we need to adopt a different mentality around here. I mean our coaching staff makes more $ than anyone yet I feel we are one of the more poorly coached team in the NFL.

Would you ever see us do a fake spike and then try to score? No. Would you ever see us try a trick play on special teams? Fake FG, or punt? No. Would you eve see us come out in a hurry up offense? No. Would you ever see us try and get the backs more involved in the passing game besides throwing screens? No. Do we ever put the Qb in shotgun on 1st down, just to give the defense something else to think about? No.

I could go on and on. My point is that should have been the attitude we should have had going up to NE. Hit em with everything and empty the playbook. Instead we go out with no game plan and no adjustments at all.

It's time for Gibbs to go. I've seen enough in 3 1/2 years.

We finally agree on something!!!!

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This is a Sport. They can do what ever they want with in the rules of the game. Are you saying they can not?

Right. So let's just throw out all good sense, compassion, respect, and class; all because it's "a sport". I don't know about you, but no matter what I'm doing -- whether it be my job, or a sport -- I will always adhere to my principles. It seems you (and a lot of others) are arguing that it's acceptable to disregard your conscience simply because you are getting paid to win. So sad. That's the purest form of being a "sell-out".

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Bottom line, people are sharply, I mean sharply divided on this. Whether you turn to ESPN, Comcast, CBS, or Warpath there are contrasting views and opinions on this one. Personally, I find it quite interesting and it will no doubt be a topic of heated debate for the balance of the season.

Two interesting scenerios that will make this very juicy: An AFC Championship showdown between the Pats and the Chargers because of what happened last year. Or The Pats receiving the Lombardi trophy from Goodell. Either will get tons of press coverage if it happens.

I like LT. But when he got up and started crying like a baby cause NE was making fun of Shawn M. dance he looked like a total fool. Shawn Merriman is an animal and I wish we drafted him instead of Carlos. But why do you have to do that dance? You are only setting yourself up to get it back in your face and you know the opposing team is not going to like it one bit. Just go celebrate with your team. You don't see QB's doing dances when they throw a TD pass do you?

[firstdown]

So I guess next time Tiger Woods has a ten stroke lead going into the final holes he should just chip and putt his way in so he does not humiliate the rest of the field. No, he wants to keep firing to show he is the best player and by how much he is the best player in the field.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

That wasn't the point. No one is saying what they cannot do or have a responsibility to do, it is what they should and should not do. BTW, I still didn't hear anyone take issue with my argument (the one you quoted).

He does not need a "purpose". He can do what ever he wants to do with in the rules. What problem do have with that?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So I guess next time Tiger Woods has a ten stroke lead going into the final holes he should just chip and putt his way in so he does not humiliate the rest of the field. No, he wants to keep firing to show he is the best player and by how much he is the best player in the field.

I can't remember where I read this, but it might have been here.

Somebody said that what the Patriots did was akin to defeating a boxer, and then kicking him in the head when he's down on the mat. Why not do that? Because there are times when a REAL MAN stops caring about his own ego, to spare the embarrassment of others.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So I guess next time Tiger Woods has a ten stroke lead going into the final holes he should just chip and putt his way in so he does not humiliate the rest of the field. No, he wants to keep firing to show he is the best player and by how much he is the best player in the field.

That's a terrible argument. No one is going to try to drive a ball into his skull if he embarrasses them on a golf course, whereas belichick is lucky as shit the Skins didn't take any cheap shots on brady (a team like the ravens might in a few weeks).
Once again, there was no justification for keeping brady on the field in the 4th quarter, much less going for it on 4th down.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'd really like someone to try to argue with the following:

Tell me what purpose Bill Belichick served by needlessly running up the score? By the middle of the 3rd quarter it was clear that he was going to win the game. Stats don't mean s--t to guys like Brady and Belichick, right? So, basically they risked injury to their players for no other purpose than to run up the score and embarass the Redskins. If they had some other purpose in running up the score, please do tell. If they did not have some other purpose in running up the score, does that show not only stupidity for risking injury to players and a lack of class?

Wow. So many different ways to go here...

First, I disagree with your premise that Bill Belichick ran up the score. He didn't. He sent his backup quarterback out there when the game was well in hand, and Cassel still scored a touchdown. So it really wasn't Bill Belichick. It was Matt Cassel doing what he's supposed to do.

What purpose did he serve? Well, let's see... as a head coach, his job is to lead the team to victory. Not to show "humility" as some have argued. And you call it "needless". Didn't the Detroit Lions just set an NFL record by scoring 34 points in the fourth quarter this year against the Bears?

A player "risks injury" each time he steps foot on the field, no matter what the score is.

A football game is 60 minutes long. Nowhere is it written that you're supposed to stop scoring ( you call that 'running up the score' ) after a team is ahead by a certain number of points or after you're at a certain point in the game.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I love your grammar, punctuation, and frequent use of "lmao." What are you twelve? People who keep saying "quit crying," or "you're acting like babies," simply show that (a) they cannot put together an argument so they resort to stupid cliches and (b) that they have no idea what class means.

Perhaps your idea of class is different than others. I mean does everyone have to have the same idea of what good sportsmanship is or what constitutes class? If not, then maybe all these posts should be edited by the big mod in the sky so that only opinions that you think are worthy are the ones that are posted.

The Redskins had four turnovers. Are the Patriots supposed to just stop trying to score? Whose to say the Redskins don't get the next four turnovers considering they came into the game with the 5th ranked defense, and had been forcing turnovers in previous games.

Really, this whole talk about running up the score is ridiculuous. In at least one or two games this year a team has scored 30+ points in the fourth quarter to come back and win. If anything I respect them more for not letting up...not allowing themselves to be put into a position to where a team has a chance to come back and win.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I can't remember where I read this, but it might have been here.

Somebody said that what the Patriots did was akin to defeating a boxer, and then kicking him in the head when he's down on the mat. Why not do that? Because there are times when a REAL MAN stops caring about his own ego, to spare the embarrassment of others.

Well it is also against the rules.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Sure, it's nobody's JOB to show humility. Nobody get's paid to do that, and it's not a law. So, nobody has to show humility ever. I get that. I just think humans SHOULD be more considerate. You obviously don't. Do you ever hold the door open for somebody? Do you ever let another car into your lane? Probably not, since you obviously don't value human compassion.



Oh, I see. Since you can't argue why it is okay to humiliate people, you will just come at me with a bunch of crap. Obviously there is no way to quantify embarrassment, so you just ask a question that can't be answered. Good argument. It's one of those gray areas. It's subjective. Don't ask me to objectify it, because it can't be done. It's just one of those things you have to use your judgment on. I can't say where the line is, but that doesn't mean that I don't know when it's been crossed.

So he put in Cassell with 5 minutes left. Do you think that is evidence of BB's humility?



So, if you say something that offends another person it's their fault for getting offended? You played no role in hurting their feelings? I would guess that you don't care about anyone.

Ghetto, I think you're taking Beemen's comments out of context if you are somehow suggesting that he has no concept of human compassion based on this particular argument. Two men slammming into each, pointing fingers, and talking smack for 60 minutes doesn't seem compassionate to me anyway.

I'm of the opinion, that compassion and some of these other human virtues are either overshadowed or a non-issue in the realm of competative sports. They must recede to the backgroud to some extent in order to fully compete. I'm not saying that you don't understand this, it's just that discussion crosses some gray territory that's all, and the tendacy is to lump it all together.

Does Belichick lack humility and compassion? Not one of us here can answer that with 100% certainty because we don't know what he's like when he steps away from the arena of competition. Does he lack sportsmanship? Now that's a horse of a different color. And I think we're confusing sportsmanship with other human virtues. Sportsmanship, and correct me if I'm wrong, says that as long as I'm abiding by the rules, then everything is good.

He lacked sportsmanship and judgement when he was caught cheating with the cameras - unfair advantage. Running up the score? Hmmm...don't know, because there was no unfair advantage.