Mike Williams Cut by Raiders

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL I'm sorry but this is getting retarded. Call me in 3 years when this guy is out of football completely.

Entirely possible. Call me next year when LLoyd is making D-grade hip-hop videos. I don't understand what's so retarded about signing a guy like Williams for pocket change. Hell, sign him to the practice squad.

Obviously if the dude still thinks he's worth 1st round pick money, it doesn't make sense. But whatever, I was honestly asking a legit question more than anything else and a bunch of people apparently took offense to that.

I'm sure you guys don't necessarily intend it, but there is a really thick air of arrogance that comes down hard on people who post things that are considered "retarded" by whoever sets the conversation bar that week.

Hey, it's your site, do as you like. But speaking frankly and personally, some of the reactions to threads like this make me not want to participate as much, because it's just arbitrary and wrong.

But again, it's your house, you set the rules.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dgack

Entirely possible. Call me next year when LLoyd is making D-grade hio-hop videos. I don't understand what's so retarded about signing a guy like Williams for pocket change. Hell, sign him to the practice squad.

Obviously if the dude still thinks he's worth 1st round pick money, it doesn't make sense. But whatever, I was honestly asking a legit question more than anything else and a bunch of people apparently took offense to that.

I'm sure you guys don't necessarily intend it, but there is a really thick air of arrogance that comes down hard on people who post things that are considered "retarded" by whoever sets the conversation bar that week.

Hey, it's your site, do as you like. But speaking frankly and personally, some of the reactions to threads like this make me not want to participate as much, because it's just arbitrary and wrong.

But again, it's your house, you set the rules.

Dgack, you're free to call my ideas retarded if you think they are. I think signing Williams is a horrible idea, though. That's the only reason I've jumped on you in this thread. His biggest weakness is route-running, and this is an offense based on timing, which means route-running is priority one for WRs. Unless you want Saunders and Gibbs to totally revamp their scheme, which I can't imagine would possibly be a good idea in the midst of a 4-3 season, Williams just doesn't fit with us.

Williams is also miserable on special teams. I don't like the idea of cutting one of our depth WRs. McCardell has shown he can be valuable this year, picking up a few key first downs because of his ability to run routes and find open holes in the defense. Thrash is still a special teams stalwart. It just doesn't make any sense to me, that's all.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Dgack, you're free to call my ideas retarded if you think they are.

Not my style. But thanks for the offer.

I appreciate the more in-depth analysis in this post, though, it is a lot easier to consider a counter-argument when the person making it isn't insulting you.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by dgack

Entirely possible. Call me next year when LLoyd is making D-grade hip-hop videos. I don't understand what's so retarded about signing a guy like Williams for pocket change. Hell, sign him to the practice squad.

Obviously if the dude still thinks he's worth 1st round pick money, it doesn't make sense. But whatever, I was honestly asking a legit question more than anything else and a bunch of people apparently took offense to that.

I'm sure you guys don't necessarily intend it, but there is a really thick air of arrogance that comes down hard on people who post things that are considered "retarded" by whoever sets the conversation bar that week.

Hey, it's your site, do as you like. But speaking frankly and personally, some of the reactions to threads like this make me not want to participate as much, because it's just arbitrary and wrong.

But again, it's your house, you set the rules.

I don't care what happens with Lloyd frankly and I don't see where Williams would represent any sort of an improvement over Lloyd either.

Nobody is coming down on you personally, try to understand that some of us just get sick of these threads looking to pick up everyone else's garbage anytime someone gets released.

I mean c'mon, Mike Williams isn't even a good player.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't care what happens with Lloyd frankly and I don't see where Williams would represent any sort of an improvement over Lloyd either.

Nobody is coming down on you personally, try to understand that some of us just get sick of these threads looking to pick up everyone else's garbage anytime someone gets released.

I mean c'mon, Mike Williams isn't even a good player.

Like I said, it's your site and you can do as you like. But I think you guys tend to get frustrated with " the same threads over and over" as if everyone should know what are the "acceptable" topics of conversation.

Maybe nobody is coming down personally, but all the "this is retarded" stuff directly implies that those of us asking, "hey, can he really be any worse than our worst current WR" are "retarded" (and I won't even get into how that can be offensive to anybody who is the parent of a disabled child, because I'm not, but know people who are).

Anyway, I just find it interesting that you have no problem coming down on a thread like this when most of the discussion has been trying to do some analysis, but it's totally okay to let a 400+ post thread go that devolved into a discussion that had nothing to do with football for the most part (the Belichick and his class thread)

I was under the impression that this site was the forum for the "Intelligent Redskin fan". Whether or not you agree with someone's opinion, I would think that it would be welcomed and respectfully discussed as long as those opinions are presented with well-reasoned arguments.

"This is retarded" doesn't really meet the definition of "well-reasoned" in my mind, but YMMV.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by dgack

Like I said, it's your site and you can do as you like. But I think you guys tend to get frustrated with " the same threads over and over" as if everyone should know what are the "acceptable" topics of conversation.

Maybe nobody is coming down personally, but all the "this is retarded" stuff directly implies that those of us asking, "hey, can he really be any worse than our worst current WR" are "retarded" (and I won't even get into how that can be offensive to anybody who is the parent of a disabled child, because I'm not, but know people who are).

Anyway, I just find it interesting that you have no problem coming down on a thread like this when most of the discussion has been trying to do some analysis, but it's totally okay to let a 400+ post thread go that devolved into a discussion that had nothing to do with football for the most part (the Belichick and his class thread)

I was under the impression that this site was the forum for the "Intelligent Redskin fan". Whether or not you agree with someone's opinion, I would think that it would be welcomed and respectfully discussed as long as those opinions are presented with well-reasoned arguments.

"This is retarded" doesn't really meet the definition of "well-reasoned" in my mind, but YMMV.

Fair enough perhaps I was a little harsh. Don't get me wrong though I'm not saying that we should not even be discussing this, it's just my opinion that Williams is garbage and not worth looking at.

Carry on.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Fair enough perhaps I was a little harsh. Don't get me wrong though I'm not saying that we should not even be discussing this, it's just my opinion that Williams is garbage and not worth looking at.

Carry on.

I think he just made the mistake of confusing your opinion for the law of the site.

It can be tough to keep the two entities seperate, I realize. But the Mike Williams argument seems almost irrelivant, and I'm surprised that the site polarized on this issue so quickly.

As for my opinion, I don't really view Mike Williams and Brandon Lloyd any different as players. But if we had brought Lloyd in here for less than a million dollars a season, and signed him as someone else's castoff as opposed to giving 2 picks for him, I'd defend the move to sign him far more often than I do.

I don't know where we have the roster room for Mike Williams, but still it seems like a more relevant topic than the next Mike Espy conversation.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think he just made the mistake of confusing your opinion for the law of the site.

It can be tough to keep the two entities seperate, I realize. But the Mike Williams argument seems almost irrelivant, and I'm surprised that the site polarized on this issue so quickly.

As for my opinion, I don't really view Mike Williams and Brandon Lloyd any different as players. But if we had brought Lloyd in here for less than a million dollars a season, and signed him as someone else's castoff as opposed to giving 2 picks for him, I'd defend the move to sign him far more often than I do.

I don't know where we have the roster room for Mike Williams, but still it seems like a more relevant topic than the next Mike Espy conversation.

Well said, unfortunately that happens a lot. Not sure what I can really do about it unless I start posting under an alias.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well said, unfortunately that happens a lot. Not sure what I can really do about it unless I start posting under an alias.

I think it just comes with the territory, and I'm not sure theres a whole lot that can be done.

I'm just shocked that this Williams issue got ugly fast. I can't think of too many other players in the league that I would like to avoid talking about more.