AP Article: Redskins offense back to square one!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

"If you can run it, draw people to the line of scrimmage, then you can pass it. They go hand in hand."

No, they don't go hand in hand. Not anymore Joe. This is the 80's early 90 mentality. Gibbs is never ever going to adjust to today's NFL. When is this guy ever going to realize that it is a passing league now? The rules beg you to pass it. DB's can't even breathe on the WR's yet we don't have one single wr with a passing TD. You should be able to pass it with the guys you brought in here w/out having to run it all the time. Same old crap.

What? They do go hand in hand. You run the ball to setup your passing game...that's Football 101...it has been, it is, and will forever be.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by saden1

What? They do go hand in hand. You run the ball to setup your passing game...that's Football 101...it has been, it is, and will forever be.

You forget that the average ADHD football fan is to enamored with the pretty footballs flying through the air to pay attention to statistics.

Fact of the matter is that even the famously "pass happy" offenses like the Patriots and Colts also have Top Ten running games.

The Colts running game is #5 overall, averaging 31 rushes per game, 4.4 YPC and 140 yds/game.

The Patriots running game is #8 overall, averaging 32 rushes per game, 4.2 YPC and 135 yds/game.

As saden said, historically in the NFL the run game is used to establish the pass and I see no reason whatsoever to think any differently in 2007.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mheisig

You forget that the average ADHD football fan is to enamored with the pretty footballs flying through the air to pay attention to statistics.

Fact of the matter is that even the famously "pass happy" offenses like the Patriots and Colts also have Top Ten running games.

The Colts running game is #5 overall, averaging 31 rushes per game, 4.4 YPC and 140 yds/game.

The Patriots running game is #8 overall, averaging 32 rushes per game, 4.2 YPC and 135 yds/game.

As saden said, historically in the NFL the run game is used to establish the pass and I see no reason whatsoever to think any differently in 2007.

The difference is those teams pass and sprinkle in run plays. They DO NOT try and come out and play smashmouth all the time.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The difference is those teams pass and sprinkle in run plays. They DO NOT try and come out and play smashmouth all the time.

Patriots Pass Attempts/game: 34
Patriots Rush Attempts/game: 32

Colts Pass Attempts/game: 33
Colts Rush Attempts/game: 31

You're saying that an almost perfect 50/50 balance of Pass/Rush attempts means that these teams are "sprinkling in run plays"?

Seriously, NFL.com Statistics. Give it a try some time - it makes for far more intelligent arguments.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Patriots Pass Attempts/game: 34
Patriots Rush Attempts/game: 32

Colts Pass Attempts/game: 33
Colts Rush Attempts/game: 31

You're saying that an almost perfect 50/50 balance of Pass/Rush attempts means that these teams are "sprinkling in run plays"?

Seriously, NFL.com Statistics. Give it a try some time - it makes for far more intelligent arguments.

I don't need a silly stat line to have an intelligent argument. I can watch the games and see for myself.

Look at it this way. I don't know the yardage stats but I would bet that those teams are all well over 200 yards a game passing. They get plays in the passing game that are over 15 yards. That means they don't have to have 10-15 play drives to score. Yes it's good if you can do that but defenses are too good. You have to be able to score on let's say 4-7 play drives sometimes.

Plus those teams don't come out and try and establish the run at all costs. They play 3rd down offense on 1st down where it is a little easier to get big passing plays. We never play 3rd down offense on 1st down. Do you ever see JC in shotgun on 1st down? No.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't need a silly stat line to have an intelligent argument. I can watch the games and see for myself.

Look at it this way. I don't know the yardage stats but I would bet that those teams are all well over 200 yards a game passing. They get plays in the passing game that are over 15 yards. That means they don't have to have 10-15 play drives to score. Yes it's good if you can do that but defenses are too good. You have to be able to score on let's say 4-7 play drives sometimes.

Plus those teams don't come out and try and establish the run at all costs. They play 3rd down offense on 1st down where it is a little easier to get big passing plays. We never play 3rd down offense on 1st down. Do you ever see JC in shotgun on 1st down? No.

Understood. Who needs a "silly stat line" when anecdotal observations and unquantifiable assertions are the name of the game.

Looks like we have the makings of a good discussion.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Patriots Pass Attempts/game: 34
Patriots Rush Attempts/game: 32

Colts Pass Attempts/game: 33
Colts Rush Attempts/game: 31

You're saying that an almost perfect 50/50 balance of Pass/Rush attempts means that these teams are "sprinkling in run plays"?

Seriously, NFL.com Statistics. Give it a try some time - it makes for far more intelligent arguments.

Thank you.

I love posts where people back up what they are saying with some hard data, vs. what they "observe".

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Thank you.

I love posts where people back up what they are saying with some hard data, vs. what they "observe".

Actually, Matty, that was just a "silly stat line."

I docked myself a few reputation points for using that "silly stat line."

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Actually, Matty, that was just a "silly stat line."

I docked myself a few reputation points for using that "silly stat line."

I think you guys have drank waaaaaaaaaaay too much Joe Gibbs Kool Aid.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Actually, Matty, that was just a "silly stat line."

I docked myself a few reputation points for using that "silly stat line."

Shame on you.

Get outta here with those silly stats will ya?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by saden1

What? They do go hand in hand. You run the ball to setup your passing game...that's Football 101...it has been, it is, and will forever be.

No, it was football 101.